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<Natural Instinct> recruiting for 10 man
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Edited by Symbiiotic on 10/28/12 10:15 PM (PDT)
Natural Instinct lvl 25 is a friendly guild created by a group of friends. We are looking for mature, skilled players to have a good time and kill some bosses in MOP raiding content. We welcome any PVPer/leveler who is social, active and contributes to the guild. We do not do organized PVP however many of our members do casual PVP such as arenas. We host many in-game events and give away prizes such as gold or items! Come check us out!
Top priorities: Our main goal is to create a guild where our members know each other, help each other, and have a fun time together. Communication is key! We love to talk in vent and guild chat! What do we need? Currently we are full on healers and in need of 1 tank and 1 DPS for our 10 man core raiding group, however we entertain all classes and specs based on your experience and how well you play your class. Ideally we are searching for a Blood DK and a Shadow Priest. When do we raid? Our current raid times are Tues/Wed from 8-11 and Sun 9-11 server time. Attendance and effort are our top priorities so we look for members who will show up to the raids at least 90% of the time. We are currently 2/6 in Mogu'Shan Vaults and looking to progress through the next bosses. Get in contact with me through in-game mail or whisper if you are interested!!! See you in MOP!! |
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Best of luck to you all in your recruiting, nice to see some other guild recruitment posts up here :)
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Thanks Leaferikson! Good luck with your new guild!
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Still in need of 1 tank and 2 DPS
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Edited by Symbiiotic on 10/28/12 10:13 PM (PDT)
We are currently in need of 1 Tank, we prefer a Blood DK but are open to other options as well, get in contact with me in-game
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Don't join this guy.
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/4885278542#2 |
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Nice job pointing that out man. I read through it and got a laugh.
Definitely don't join a guild in which decisions like that are carried out - it's going to just net you wasted time in the long run. |
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That forum post was a complete misunderstanding between me and another player. Unfortunately you cant make everyone happy in this game. In this situation the player was recruited for the final boss and never joined our vent channel, where it was clearly stated that the staff was on reserve. After a majority vote, taking both sides into consideration the decision to give to staff to the Mage who had been with us the whole time and the staff was being reserved for was made. If you want to judge our guild based on that then so be it however i have been a player for a long time and this is the first major problem i have encountered. If you were in our guild or asked someone in it im sure they would let you know that is not at all how our guild is run. In fact i am more focused on geared up other characters then my own.
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I'd give you the benefit of the doubt if it wasn't for the screenshot that was in there showing he attempted to whisper you on the subject but you had him on ignore - leading me to believe that it wasn't just a case of misunderstanding. Even if he didn't join your vent - did you let him know before he helped you that he wasn't going to be allowed to go for that one piece of equipment? As it sounds, and what the evidence clearly points to, is that you didn't believe anyone would care and you never thought something like this might come back to haunt you. Give a friend a piece of loot over some random, right? Any guild that does this and tries to hide it means that something might be up. It's just some random gear too - what if it came down to some legendary or more important item, and a friend really really wanted it? I could only imagine if this happened, that much, much more could. |
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Edited by Hallucinogen on 11/3/12 2:05 AM (PDT)
To be fair, the SS only provide half of the story. If what Sym is saying is in fact to be true, than the Priest shouldn't have gotten the staff. I've seen plenty of guilds not allow rolls on gear if you're only joining for the final fight or have certain pieces reserved for other people due to it being a guild run and them having to find 1-2 pugs.That forum post was a complete misunderstanding between me and another player. Unfortunately you cant make everyone happy in this game. In this situation the player was recruited for the final boss and never joined our vent channel, where it was clearly stated that the staff was on reserve. After a majority vote, taking both sides into consideration the decision to give to staff to the Mage who had been with us the whole time and the staff was being reserved for was made. If you want to judge our guild based on that then so be it however i have been a player for a long time and this is the first major problem i have encountered. If you were in our guild or asked someone in it im sure they would let you know that is not at all how our guild is run. In fact i am more focused on geared up other characters then my own. I also find it hard to believe that he would lead him into the raid and just not allow him to have loot unless he was just being hard headed by not joining vent and such. I, personally, don't believe in giving gear to people who join for the last 1-2 bosses, especially if they're pugs. That does nothing to help the guild loot or progression wise. This is also why I don't lead raids nor start a guild because I know my outlook on somethings aren't popular with other players. |
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Oh, I totally see the point. However, even if he just joined for the last fight and didn't join vent, do you think he should have been let known that he wouldn't get any gear? Look at it this way, too - would you waste your time helping a group out, even if it was just for one boss, if you were told before hand that you wouldn't be able to roll on anything or get anything out of the fight? If I was told that beforehand, I wouldn't even bother helping for any fights at all. Being the raid leader, as well - if someone is causing that many problems, and you aren't going to give them the gear, you might as well kick them. Integrity, in this situation, would have been to say "You know what? You aren't listening and are causing too many issues. We could use your help, but a forewarning, you won't be able to roll on X gear. Because of this, you can choose to leave if you'd like, as I understand that by not getting any gear you probably don't want to do this fight.". However, the evidence is just far too convenient. Sym has already admitted that he gave the friend the gear instead because the guy wasn't listening, and because they had determined through a "council" that the staff was reserved. This clearly means this guy was brought in and not told this all in advance, and because he seems upset, if he had known he wasn't going to be allowed to get anything he probably wouldn't have done the fight. The way I see it, they brought him in because they needed that extra someone, but refused to let him have a shot at the staff. |
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To make matters worse, the actually rolled off for the item, and even though the brought in player won the roll, they STILL gave it to the friend. So more than likely, here's the way things probably played out.
1. They didn't tell him he'd be able to get it 2. They knew it might be an issue when it actually dropped, so instead of burning him and just handing out to their friend, they decided to have a roll for it hoping the friend would win it anyways 3. When their friend didn't win, they asked the brought in player to please pass on it 4. When he said he needed it, they ninja's it off to their friend regardless 5. Then, instead of bringing it up that the guy "didn't join vent" or "wasnt cooperating" and kicking him before they even downed the boss, they instead chose to use that as to the reason why they didn't give him the gear. Just sounds FAR to convenient, given the fact that they rolled for the item as well. As far as other concerns about this guy, read other post's in that thread: "I was just in a group in him and he kicked me to bring a friend in so now I'm stuck saved 2/8 even though I was top dps. Don't raid with this guild unless you want to get screwed over." And then the bit where they said a Paladin rolled on a staff but passed on it (lol), I'd say this is DEFINITELY a guild everyone should pass up. Why even put yourself in a position to get screwed over when people have clearly been burned by this group? |
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Yes, it is correct that we put the item to a roll once we had realized that the pug was not in vent and clearly did not know the staff was on reserve. However once the roll had taken place we took a majority group vote to see who everyone thinks should get the staff. Even the other 3-4 pugs we had in the group agreed that the Mage should receive the staff because he had been with us the whole time and it was originally on reserve for him. If you want me to explain myself more you talk to me in game, or we can talk in Ventrilo.
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Edited by Artifact on 11/3/12 11:30 AM (PDT)
So my question is this - did you state to him before that he wouldn't be able to get an item before he helped you down it?
Oh, and I'd much rather this be public and not talk privately, as people need to know what to expect or what they are getting themselves into. It's good to have an open policy when it comes to knowing what to expect from new guilds. |
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The problem occurred because it was stated before the raid began that the staff was reserved. However, when looking for the last DPS we needed it was not stated and only was it stated in Ventrilo before the boss, which we weren't aware that this player did not get in Ventrilo until after the boss had been killed.
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So when looking for more players after trying to fill spots, part of the asking people to join via whispers or chat did not include "looking for more for (boss). (item here) on reserve?"? So you just invite people letting them know to down boss, only to announce that certain items are taken after they join your raid. And you mean to tell me you do this ONLY in vent?
Also, why the ignore? |
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Edited by Artifact on 11/4/12 12:37 AM (PDT)
Looking through these screenshots again:
http://imgur.com/8UwPB http://imgur.com/8w3GG http://imgur.com/zQEEB You didn't even tell him the same reasons you are telling us as to why he didn't get the item. Instead, he lets you know he doesn't want to give it up once he's won the roll, and that he was there ONLY for that weapon, for which you loot it to yourself regardless while stating "you have a heroic 1hander". From what it appears to be, he informs you it's BiS for him, and when he whispers you "Why?", you ALREADY have him on ignore. Sounds like you are trying to just save face here, the evidence CLEARLY supports the idea that you are shady as hell. |
Not defending Symbiiotic's actions here, but I recall the original thread. I looked at the priest's gear and the staff was a downgrade for him. I might have even sim'd it to double check. I guess the priest and other members of the raid weren't aware of that. I'm not sure if it's worse that the priest didn't know how to gear himself or the raid leader didn't inform him an item was on reserve. In an organized raid setting taking an item you don't need over someone who needs it would be looked down upon. You could even look at this from the point of view that perhaps it was the priest's actions that were shady since he wanted an item that wasn't an upgrade, yet we automatically give more credibility to the person who reports possible wrongdoing by others. The fact that the item wasn't an upgrade doesn't excuse the RL's actions, but both parties should be more careful and responsible in the future. Carry on. |
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That was also a big factor that went into who the item went to. In fact the Priest had a Heroic weapon with a regular off-hand and the Mage had a 378 weapon. All i am going to leave it at is that the screenshots tell a very little portion of the story, i talked to the Priest all about it and why he didnt receive the item before he was added to ignore. Yes i agree it was childish and i should not have added him to ignore.
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