BE Paladin - Arcane Torrent Nerf

80 Blood Elf Rogue
530
Went from an "unintended" 6% to 2%!?...it's been 6% forever, and now on my ret paladin it returns something stupid like 600 mp. lol

Any other ret's thinking oh wtf!?

Can we get 1 Holy Power added to Arcane Torrent?

HotFix - Sept.28
Arcane Torrent now returns 2% of base mana (was previously an unintended 6%).
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100 Blood Elf Paladin
20210
The mana wasn't relevant as ret anyway.
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80 Blood Elf Rogue
530
10/02/2012 04:33 PMPosted by Cayse
The mana wasn't relevant as ret anyway.


3600MP v. 1200MP to get 1 more Flash of Light off in PVP when seconds count...yeah it does matter. lol

Also, all other BE classes get a 10-15% increase to resources.

Warrior +15 Rage
DK +15 Runic Power
Rogue +15 Focus
Monk's get +1 Chi

We should get +1 Holy Power
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100 Blood Elf Paladin
20210
If you were actually using it for that, it matters even less.
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80 Blood Elf Rogue
530
10/02/2012 04:48 PMPosted by Cayse
If you were actually using it for that, it matters even less.
lol just gonna jump to the chase: you're short sighted.

Mana is a resource, and it's important. Torrent is an additional silence, and it's important. Any decrease to those would be a nerf. lol

Nice AGI polearm.
Edited by Stuntdouble on 10/2/2012 5:09 PM PDT
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90 Blood Elf Paladin
11915
10/02/2012 04:55 PMPosted by Stuntdouble
Nice AGI staff.

DPS is math. If the weapon damage and secondaries on an agi polearm outweighs the strength of one's best strength weapon, guess which is better DPS?

"Never use an agi weapon" is not an immutable law.
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100 Blood Elf Paladin
20210
Using it for mana for a flash of light is an insane waste, and wasn't actually making the difference anyway. Takes 68,000 mana for three full cost flash of light. If you used it and then had enough mana for the spell it's because sword of light ticked.

I don't have a staff.
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80 Blood Elf Rogue
530
Using it for mana for a flash of light is an insane waste, and wasn't actually making the difference anyway. Takes 68,000 mana for three full cost flash of light. If you used it and then had enough mana for the spell it's because sword of light ticked.

I don't have a staff.
rofl - love how you logged in just to change your weapon. haha
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89 Blood Elf Paladin
8280
10/02/2012 05:16 PMPosted by Stuntdouble
rofl - love how you logged in just to change your weapon. haha


I love how you're de-railing your own thread.
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100 Blood Elf Paladin
20210
10/02/2012 05:16 PMPosted by Stuntdouble
rofl - love how you logged in just to change your weapon. haha


It's cute that you think that, but surely an experienced yet terrible armory troll like you is familiar with how to use the "recent activity" feed.
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90 Blood Elf Paladin
11780
You guys have messed up what could have been a valuable and productive thread.

Personally, and especially, as a holy paladin this change has hurt heaps. It is practically useless. I don't use it because the mana it returns doesn't even amount to a holy shock.

I used this ability all through DS and it was great, and I am sad to see them change it years later. Its like they have been blind and oblivious this whole time, way to show your competency and game developers blizz haha

(I'm just upset at yet ANOTHER change out of my control, essentially nothing is ever in my control in WoW)
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90 Blood Elf Paladin
11070
10/02/2012 04:55 PMPosted by Stuntdouble
If you were actually using it for that, it matters even less.
lol just gonna jump to the chase: you're short sighted.

Mana is a resource, and it's important. Torrent is an additional silence, and it's important. Any decrease to those would be a nerf. lol

Nice AGI polearm.


10/02/2012 05:02 PMPosted by Elidra
Nice AGI staff.

DPS is math. If the weapon damage and secondaries on an agi polearm outweighs the strength of one's best strength weapon, guess which is better DPS?

"Never use an agi weapon" is not an immutable law.


This.

The MgP polearm is superior to the mace from Shado-pan in terms of damage output, strength or no strength.

The strength on the mace amounts to about 800 dmg/swing. . The damage difference between weapons is 2000.

You lose out on the spellpower gained, but that doesn't equal the damage boost for the polearm vs mace.
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90 Blood Elf Paladin
11780
10/04/2012 08:09 PMPosted by Iolwut
lol just gonna jump to the chase: you're short sighted.

Mana is a resource, and it's important. Torrent is an additional silence, and it's important. Any decrease to those would be a nerf. lol

Nice AGI polearm.



DPS is math. If the weapon damage and secondaries on an agi polearm outweighs the strength of one's best strength weapon, guess which is better DPS?

"Never use an agi weapon" is not an immutable law.


This.

The MgP polearm is superior to the mace from Shado-pan in terms of damage output, strength or no strength.

The strength on the mace amounts to about 800 dmg/swing. . The damage difference between weapons is 2000.

You lose out on the spellpower gained, but that doesn't equal the damage boost for the polearm vs mace.


What does this have to do with Arcane Torrent?!?! hahahhaha
Guess it doesn't matter anyway
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90 Blood Elf Paladin
11055
I always used it as a interrupt. :/

Really only cared about what little mana it gave if I was ever holy.

I gots me a agility staff. I'm stuck with it until a heroic boss decides to give me something. Well... anything cause after 4 heroics I've seen one item I could use and the tank won the roll. :'(
Edited by Kabloosh on 10/4/2012 9:48 PM PDT
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90 Blood Elf Paladin
0
Always have used it in raids. Used it back in BC for 1-3 extra heals, back in Wrath to help on Roic Sindragosa and Rioc LK(Alot might I add) Helped in roic everything and normals the first few months(Raids) in cata, and now I use it still for mana yet its like why pop it combind with a trinket when I can use it RIGHT after I use a heal? >.< So sad that such a good racial for holy is just down the !@#$ing %^-*ter. O, our 87 skill is completely useless for pve, only thing ive used it for in pve was when I was tanking and I need a .25 sec 0 damage incoming skill. lol(Which is sad btw).
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Exactly how much mana does it now return for Holy?
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90 Blood Elf Paladin
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Definitely not a concern as ret, but perhaps they over nerfed it. Take the middle and go 4% maybe.

It's not just pallys by the way.


Which is why this thread shouldn't have been in the Paladin forums, anyway.
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90 Blood Elf Paladin
Sin
7915
10/05/2012 09:15 AMPosted by Sharrow
Exactly how much mana does it now return for Holy?


It now returns 6000 mana. Vs the 18000 it used to.

Definitely not a concern as ret, but perhaps they over nerfed it. Take the middle and go 4% maybe.

It's not just pallys by the way.


Which is why this thread shouldn't have been in the Paladin forums, anyway.


Agreed, it should have been in the healer forums.
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90 Blood Elf Paladin
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10/05/2012 09:15 AMPosted by Sharrow
Exactly how much mana does it now return for Holy?


6k, used to be 18k. It was pretty overpowered compared to the Human racial.

Assuming an 8 minute fight (about right for these entry level raids with current gear):

Arcane Torrent grants 54,000 mana used 3 times @ 2 min CD
Human Spirit grants 14,400 mana @ 10k spirit (about normal for entry level gear/gems) - let's say 17k (after procs, Ebonweave, Heartsong, etc)
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