10/12/2012 11:14 AM
Posted by Bashiok
The problem here Bashiok is that for your hardcore progression raiders, unlocking all the valor gear feels like a requirement, not a thing we can do when we feel like it. Between that and trying to maximize tillers so I can have mats for 300 stat food (which again, a lot of guilds are requiring from their raiders), WoW is monopolizing all of my gaming time. I get that you guys want to make sure the casual players don't get bored, but in the process of doing so you've basically forced the hardcore progression raiders to -have- to play all the time.
For a hardcore progression raider, I don't think it's unreasonable that additional time and requirements are needed to be a hardcore progression raider.
There seems to be a misconception about hardcore raiders that part of the experience is a mountain of grind before doing the content we actually want to do. The truth is, that has always (in my opinion) been the most frustrating part of raiding. Most hardcore raiders I've known spend less time playing this game than most "casual" players. The majority of us are either students or have full-time jobs (or both), and have trouble doing much more than logging on for raids. In addition, much of the time we DO have outside of raids goes to things like discussing strats, researching/theorycrafting our classes, etc.
Yes, there has always been grind attached to hardcore raiding. But hardcore raiders typically don't do this grind because we like it. We do it because we like the thing behind it SO much that we are willing to go through a lot to get it. That's an important distinction.
I personally have spent more hours than I care to count grinding out dailies (something which I HATE and have no interest in doing), because they have been set up as a requirement for me to do the content I LIKE doing. Given the choice, I would have loved to do some challenge modes, maybe try out pet battles. Heck I might even have enjoyed doing some of the dailies for the vanity rewards, if I didn't feel forced into it. It's not like I would be running out of content if I didn't have to do dailies--blizzard has done a great job of providing tons of things to do outside of raids this xpac, and I think it's fantastic. The problem is, instead of doing those things, all my free time goes to something that I don't enjoy.
Don't get me wrong, I understand that there has to be some grind in any MMO. If you don't put in any work to do something, there's no sense of accomplishment. But there is already plenty of grind associated with raiding--gearing from 5 mans and LFR, getting food, flasks, pots etc., and even in many ways the research that goes into fights and class mechanics. The reality of the situation is that, at the start of the "do the content you like doing" expansion, the breakdown of the community looks like this:
Interested in dailies? Here's a bunch of dailies with tons of cool rewards
Interested in leveling? Here's 5 new levels, a new class and a new race
Interested in 5 mans? Here's a bunch of new 5 mans, and challenge modes if the heroics get too easy
Interested in playing the auction house/making lots of gold? Here's the BMAH with rewards for all your effort
Interested in collecting pets, playing mini-games, etc? Pet battles!
Interested in casual raiding? LFR and later normal modes.
Interested in hardcore raiding? Level to 90, probably have someone level a monk, grind 5 mans for gear, grind 5 reps through dailies, check BMAH for raid gear, run LFR, clear normal modes, now you can do the content you want to do.
I'm not saying that we shouldn't have any grind. But you have to admit there IS a discrepancy, and I don't think it's fair to just shrug it off since you know we will do it anyway. We are just players of the game like anyone else, with things we enjoy and things we don't. Why force us to do things we don't enjoy just because what we do enjoy is "hardcore?" Progression raiding already involves a lot of effort, and it's effort that's fun to us. We don't need to be shoehorned into content that isn't aimed at us and isn't fun for many of us.