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Mote of Harmony
Professions and mats are far easier to obtain this expansion than they ever have, maybe you could argue that spirit of harmonies aren't but realistically they are at the very least close to a similar difficulty as chaos orbs and its other predecessors. Patterns have also never been easier to obtain. Every single profession is super easy to level and and the VAST majority of patterns are from vendors. Now that does require grinding but its easy grinding and you know you are going to get them and when unlike in the past when they have been drops. As for the rest of your post....i don't really know how to respond to that, it was 2 pages of saying almost nothing. While i certainly don't agree that MoP is the best xpac the term best doesn't really mean anything in advertising. Its a matter of opinion, i have no doubt that there are a lot of people that do consider it the best. |
correct, at exalted its 16 motes a day. I just timed myself, starting in stormwind it took me 4minutes 16 seconds counting hearthing, loading and buying seeds. Now lets compare the time requirements to the past. Chaos orbs for cata entry level epics. Belts used 2, chests used 3. Now these were drops from the final bosses of 5mans. Lets say a dungeon is about 30 minutes(which is probably pretty generous for most people) and you have to roll against the group. Lets say only 2 people on average roll on them. Thats 1 hour per orb not counting any que times. So 2 hours to get enough orbs to make a belt in cata, 3 hours to make a chest. Fast forward to now. Gloves are 6 spirits and chests are 8. At exaulted tillers thats 4 days to make gloves(you will have a little left over too) and 5 days for chest. Even if you took twice as long as me to do your farm every day that's about 33 minutes spent for gloves and about 42 minutes for a chest. Less than 1/3rd of the time spent. Even without tillers I know I could farm more than 60 motes in 2 hours just killing mobs. |
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Edited by Goldenmax on 1/15/13 4:57 PM (PST)
Actually it was two pages saying a whole bunch. My apologies if it was too hard for your comprehension level or that, even though I did try to keep it at a 3rd grade level for people like you, I must not have succeeded. But all in all, going by what you did type, I'd bet you don't know near as much about this games past as your words try to portray Especially when you state; "Professions and mats are far easier to obtain this expansion than they ever have". Because if you did! Those words that you typed would have never been typed. I had Zero problem getting any of the mats in the past expansions. Compared to all the trouble I and the vast many that have posted on this subject matter, having to go through to grind rep for patterns, rep for motes of the various sorts and what not. This xpac is as I said atrocious. Yeah once you do the grind (and it's pretty deep into it) for cooking you indeed can plant 16 spots for motes of Harmony but it does take 10 to make one complete mote. this means with just one toon one could in a week of planting and harvesting get 105 motes in a 7 day period. This is essentially 10 and a half spirits of harmony. It generally takes at least 2 spirits and more for various things. So to put it easily for you. I would have to grind a week just to get these basic motes and after the 7 days! I then could possibly make say 5 Blacksmithing pvp items. This wouldn't be so bad, except during that time that I have to wait each day for motes to grow, I also have to grind rep with various factions in order for me to buy patterns that aren't pvp since I don't do pvp. The bottom line is that Blizzard said (ghost crawler specifically) in a Blue post while beta was going, that Blizzard was going to try to do away with all this crazy faction grinding and they didn't. It was a lie. No way in h-e-double hockey sticks is this xpac easier than any other as far as proessions and mat gathering. My 8 years of playing this game is enough for me to know this statement is the truth. You'd know this truth if you actually had played this game instead of coming in here spewing non-sense that you sure don't seem to know anything about. |
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I'm not going to sit and post another long winded diatribe, but your calculations are far off for orbs in cata. In most situations I could and still have left over orbs by the droves in instancing in a 4 hour period. I still have probably 50 of them sitting in my bank right now. It was easy as eating to get orbs in cata. |
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Edited by Zachfu on 1/15/13 6:44 PM (PST)
even if my calculations overshoot by 3 times that still puts the time commitment about equal. Its pretty disingenuous to say it takes a week of grinding. While yes it takes a week to get those spirits, its a few minutes a day for 1 week where you make it sound like you are gridning non stop for a week.
Ive played since vanilla, been heavily into professions since midway through wrath and since cata im probably one of the biggest users of professions in the entire game as well as being a high end raider since the start of BC so don't pretend to know my level of experience in this game. You are right about cooking, it is the one profession that really got harder. On a provide for yourself level its really not all that bad but I am in charge of getting 300 stat food to 25 people on a nightly basis and that is quite a headache. There might be quite a few rep grinds for patterns but they are still very easy to obtain and they are reps most people want anyway. I believe the only pattern requiring exalted is the big tailoring bag. the rest require revered and enchanting was a bit longer in this regard because you had to get revered with golden lotus before you even started those reps. As for ghostcrawler lying... well i cant really comment on that, i don't really pay all that much attention to blue posts. The only thing i remember being said about rep grinds was in reference to head/shoulder enchants. Even still, changing directions isn't the same thing as lying. |
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Edited by Goldenmax on 1/16/13 3:40 AM (PST)
Zachfu I don't have a clue why you are trying to say that chaos orbs were harder to get or at least equal to and of getting than Spirits of Harmony. Nothing could be further from the truth. I'll take the 4 hours instancing in cata I mentioned earlier and instead of being a tank (which of course was instant ques and I was tanking with this warrior then. After all, I am my guilds main tank and I tank with the Pali, dk and this one. Depending on what mood I'm in will decide which one I tank with.) I'll go with what it was on my server for dps. In cata, the general que time on the server I am on, was 12 to 15 min. By the time I and many people needed orbs, we were pretty well geared and most instances wouldn't take but 15 to 20 min. on avg. This means in 4 hours you would get into and complete at least 4 but more realistically it was 5 instances and of those, many times I was the only one that could roll on orbs. It was not unusual for me to have at least an orb an hour just doing instances. Conversely. I just spent 3 hours in dread waste killing just about everything I read of that might have a good drop rate for motes. And in those three hours, I only managed to get 22 motes (that's 2 spirits of harmony and I might also add that I did some quests too and killed, killed, killed). One more hour was not going to guarantee I'd get 20 more motes since in 3, I only managed to farm up 22. Now it takes 5 spirits, 30 Kyparite and 12 ghost Iron bars. to make a Masterwork Phantasmal Hammer and as a fury warrior, I need two of them, which would mean I needed 10 Spirits. Going by what I did early this morning, it would take me 15 hours of farming to get those 10 but probably more like 18 hours. In cata I could easily get that many orbs in 10 to 12 hours and it didn't take 5 orbs, it took only 3 to make an equal weapon. In 6 hours, I could have what I needed to make two 346 ilvl weapons, which was an entry level weapon at best for heroics. 6 hours to even 15 is a large difference. The same holds true for the Masterwork Phantasmal Hammer for MoP being nothing but a heroic entry level weapon. Sorry but your calculations are way off. Not by just a little either. I just wore myself out trying to get motes. Why do you think there are so many threads with people complaining about it! Is it that none of us know what we are talking about and only you do? Naw and it's not just because they like to whine either. It's because it is a problem and all my words stand that I typed in this thread. |
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Zachfu: Chaos orbs only dropped off dungeon and raid bosses, and were (originally) bind-on-pickup, right? That seems insanely harder to get than spirits of harmony for me. To get chaos orbs you had to be good. To get spirits of harmony, you just have to be patient. I know which one I prefer. This expansion may be bad for the fast people, who like to blast their way through dungeons, but it's been good for the slow people who like to play with solo stuff, professions, and whatnot. |
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Maybe it is just pure luck, but to date I have "farmed up" 46 Spirits of Harmony off mobs alone, both in the leveling up process and doing dailies. Even discussing this in my guild shows that drops for others aren't going so well. On the other hand, my rogue which works engineering can't trip over a mote these days.........I just don't know. I honestly hope they go BoA or just plain tradeable soon.
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i'm an engineer myself, over the 5 levels i probably found 6 spirit harmony. that was enough for everything i wanted to make and then some, i got to 600 with pretty much no effort
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Eh. One one char, who just makes money, easily worth it. You'd be dumb not to. On multiple characters, I do 3 (sometimes 4), it's a freaking pain. On multiple characters, along with trying to have fun levelling my monk alt, and keeping this guy geared/the lfrs ran - yeah, something has to give. It's not worth my time with the current rate that you can charge for them. I welcome the 5.2 changes that will speed up farming. Until then, I just don't have the time. |
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Edited by Goldenmax on 1/17/13 10:32 AM (PST)
Zachfu: Indeed they did only drop in dungeons in cata heroics, But as I said in my post, it wasn't unusual at all to be able to get 2 in an hour or little over an hour. You didn't need chaos orbs to make anything before you got to heroics anyway. Everything could be made in all professions that was needed or wanted without chaos orbs. The orbs were used to make entry raid gear for the most part. and with just 15 min ques in cata for dps as it was, compared to now on my server of an avg. of 31 min ques it didnt' take long at all. Many times, those that could need on orbs in an instance were the only one there. I can't give numbers now but I looked in my bank and I'm sitting on 51 chaos orbs on this toon alone. That's not counting my other toons. Orbs were easy to get .. real easy compared to having to first get 10 motes just to then make one spirit and it takes 8 spirits to make most entry level BS gear not to mention the days and motes needed to transmute the living steel things need. |
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I find it very strange that with the complete randomness of motes of harmony, that they would actually require anything to need them for a product, unless it was something super amazing like a craftable mount. You can't farm them unless you count killing as many things as possible for as long as possible farming. I've been in the pandaria area for 2 weeks or more, playing a bunch, and I still have only gotten 5 spirits of harmony. Didn't know about the Tillers though, but still, you have to remember that you need to get a high reputation with them just to do it and all motes and spirits are soulbound.
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Wait until server quiet time, pull all of Lion's Landing into a big pile, AoE it down, loot a couple spirits of harmony. Wait 10 minutes, repeat. This has gotten to be so easy / convenient that I've been too lazy to even bother with my farm.
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Hmm, I might try this. Thanks. |
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I usually have to stagger it so that they don't leash. Start by pulling the entire beach zone together, can usually grab 40 or so mobs there. Then clear the inner part of the camp in a separate pull. Bonus points: I killed the rare spawns there enough times to find 3 brawler's guild invites (alas, bop - last two were trash), and get an entire set of PvP gear.
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Haha, very cool. I must do this in the am. Thanks! |
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Heroics in Cata were actually hard up until 4.3 (before they became BoE) so getting chaos orbs wasn't exactly a picnic for a pickup group. There was a much bigger effort investment for a chaos orb in my opinion. I'm not sure which one was more 'efficient' but I prefer drooling at my keyboard AOEing/skinning mobs while listening to music and getting motes. Add in the farm and excess honor and I seem to have ample supply at all times.
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I have greatly enjoyed working on my professions in the past and sometimes even to the extent of leveling my professions before trying to get to max level or leveling my char by leveling my profession (ex: skinning, herbing, mining). However, I was deeply disappointed with this expansion I have grinded for days and only made 1 or 2 harmony and the mats for a level 85 rare take 2...that's disappointing. To simply state you can buy the rare it on the auction house is a cop-out remark for what if I wanted to make it for myself or have you even considered the prices of the Auction House items. It is unfortunate that these cannot be BOA, I had all professions maxed between 6 of my 7 level 82+ toon’s. I'm hoping this will change in the future or that the drop rate might increase. Even with the "fair” drop rate that some might call it, I still find it a shame to have to grind so long to make the items or having to wait for each of my toon's to wait until they are level 90 and exalted with the tillers, just to get the harmony to make the level 85 weapon that I wanted to use while I was leveling...I have been playing for years, roughly 5+, and I'm looking forward to the next change for this.
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Edited by Stinknugget on 3/11/13 3:50 AM (PDT)
puts a HUGE space between Casual and "hardcore". Seriously? I know how difficult it was to get my motes to level engineering on my mistweaver. Before you hit 90 you hardly get ANY motes drop in dungeons. And if they do drop you don't always have time to loot cos the tank is running through the place. As a healer the big grind of killing mobs for motes isn't exactly ideal either. And grinding rep means killing mobs too. I say make Spirit of Harmony BoA. You say this is all great and now people have to make an effort but how does it EVER makes sense that the tokens (VP) you get from doing bosses you can't buy anything with unless you go do a mountain of dailies every day? And you get VP for dailies is also just retarded. |
