Alpha Models (as options!) for Worgen

88 Worgen Warlock
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In light of the new models Blizzard is working on, and the possibility of the original models still being available through a toggleswitch, I decided to repost the Alpha Worgen model thread from over in the Mists Discussion forum (Which is now locked).

Here's the converation in question regarding making the original models a choice:
https://twitter.com/Ghostcrawler/status/258713095441092608

A poll I recently set up regarding player preference on Alpha versus live (please do vote!):
http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1262973-If-you-had-the-option-to-choose-the-Alpha-Worgen-model-would-you


If they can make the old models still available as an option, why not make the alpha models available to worgen? Sure, not everyone likes the alpha; some are fond of their live character (The same will likely be true of the new models; there's bound to be someone who doesn't like them). That’s great. We don't want to hurt your character. We just want the option to choose the other model.

Begin copied section:
Seeing how as the Mists forum no longer exists, these links no longer make sense. Therefore, deleted. =3

Jellicle's list of links from part 4:


In Depth Analysis by Hitsujifox
http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/099/5/3/female_worgen_stuff_by_hitsujifox-d3dl2jo.png
http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/038/f/e/female_worgen_faces_and_hair_by_hitsujifox-d3926uo.png

alpha vs live comparison:
http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/3995/cobblecobble.png

fur colors:
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q59/Lynxiapatty/World%20of%20Warcraft/Female%20Worgen%20progress/1275101257.png

alpha in combat snarl:
http://img808.imageshack.us/img808/1892/unarmed.gif
http://tinypic.com/player.php?v=25iybfr&s=5

hairstyles:
http://i31.tinypic.com/mcx9on.jpg

unfixed bugs:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v22/merrimerri/screens/chinrest.jpg?t=1297551403

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/8974/worgenclipping.jpg

http://www.flickr.com/photos/67260154@N04/sets/72157628824360509/

current model without snarl or heavy lids (shown only in this animation)
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/3257/41939382.jpg

suggested edit(s) to improve current model
-reduce eyesize, even out/remove snarl
http://oi42.tinypic.com/opn3a9.jpg
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60913334/femaleworgentweak.jpg

Post made by Dirkhardpec on the first thread in the series:

Current: http://i757.photobucket.com/albums/xx214/Obgynkenobi9001/55139501.gif
Alpha: http://i757.photobucket.com/albums/xx214/Obgynkenobi9001/callonme.gif

Changes made by Areto on the MMO-champ forums:
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5j5pfbH8u1r5m16io1_1280.png
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5j5pfbH8u1r5m16io2_1280.png

http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1098880-Worgen-Add-Alpha-Female-Worgen-Model-Features-as-Options!!!?p=17156544#post17156544

Page 73 has links to different pictures that someone took of the alpha worgen (I suspect they may have been acquired illegally, but I can't prove it, and don't want to).
http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1098880-Worgen-Add-Alpha-Female-Worgen-Model-Features-as-Options!!!/page73

Picture edits by Snuzzle:
http://i825.photobucket.com/albums/zz175/snuzzled/worgens_ladies.png
Posted by Twila on the 8th page:


First, the eyes section. Kinda straightforward there; the current model's eyes are just derpy-looking and aren't focused like every other race's eye's are, or even the Alpha's eyes. Its hard to take seriously for others, and even harder for players like I to tolerate whenever we happen to want to look around.

Second, a bit more than halfway down the image are four texture frames. The two male textures (from old to new) look relatively similar, save for that snarl and larger teeth. The female, on the other hand, looks to be far less... "fortunate". Going from the old to new, the old model held similar looks to the male, making them seem more along the same race, but also having distinct female traces (sleek fur, female-esque eyes, etc). Going to old to new though, there's nearly nothing similar transferred, the eyes are different entirely to the new male, and generally seems unrelated to the male Worgen.

These are but the tip of the iceberg, as I'm certain you probably already know, but these are just a small handful of the problems that concern us that places the female a step higher than the Male at this point. The lockjaw that you brought up has been a great concern to us. I know not a single canine that can't show emotion like the Worgen race, so where do we get the idea that the current versions aren't capable of this when the starting zone clearly gives sanity to worgen players? Its clear to us that its not difficult to give them emotions, as the Alpha male and Alpha female did this with extreme success. Yet, the idea that the current models fail to do this is absurd, especially since Goblins and Pandaren will be the only races that don't have "lockjaw syndrome" like most other races. Pre-Cata races also have lockjaw, like Tauren, Humans in some cases, and generally all the races that aren't up to the standards of today's character models. But since this expansion, pre-cata races will be getting revamped to the standards of the newer races, possibly (if not inevitably) leaving Worgen as the only "lockjaw" race. We don't want this, which is why we are adamantly trying to inform Blizzard about this, and try to make our voices heard.

Also, I dug up the full blue post acknowledging (or at least hinting at) the fact that the female worgen were recieved very poorly.

Since it's in an EU thread, I can't quote with the fancy blue text...but here it is:

We consider the pandaren models pretty much done: i.e. the distinctive longer tails for female red-coloured pandaren, that we like, are there to stay.

Let's say it like this: we don't want to repeat the female worgen on this one. We don't want to second-guess the design.

This may just be my interpretation and not our company's, but the way I see it is that with many things there's always going to be people that like it exactly how it is — as we do — and those that don't. If we change it, the people who didn't like it before the change might be satisfied by it changing, but there's also the chance they might not be. What's guaranteed, though, is that those who did like it just as it was (usually the silent majority) definitely won't like it being changed.

Link: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3553420256?page=6 Post #108.

Sound mods for worgen:
Sniff-B-Gone (mutes worgen sniffing sounds)
http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/sniff-b-gone
Human Worgen Female Voice Mod (Makes worgen females use Gilnean female voices)
http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/human-worgen-female-voice-mod/

Some other alpha stuff I found in the MMO-champ thread:
Animations:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9YmBm2Sz5FM

Compilation in a video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECnLIB8-Yr4

Body change from alpha to live:
http://i.imgur.com/cgVHZ.gif

Alpha vs Live comparison of the "shield block" animation.
Live: http://i.imgur.com/UnxROH7.jpg (note the arm sticking through the shield)
Alpha: http://i.imgur.com/aBFobRr.jpg
Edited by Malora on 4/28/2013 5:42 PM PDT
90 Draenei Warrior
14560
I race changed out of worgen because I literally could not stand starting at my character for the 1% crit bonus any longer.

It was horrible -
The model seemed rushed, ugly, unfinished and worst of all - absolutely no customization what so ever.

They certainly cut corners on this and I can only hope that when they update the older races they'll touch up some of the more "current" ones as well.
90 Blood Elf Warlock
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I wouldn't mind some different types of hair for fem worgens. I mean yes they're werewolves but all their hair cuts share that swooping/connected to their mane look. Kind of like Taurens.

It just looks weird on a shaggy rat dog. ( No offense )
90 Worgen Druid
13950
This I'd support, my girlfriend would as well.

In all honesty, it'd simply be nice to see the choice in there. Such a shame all that work they put into them are going to waste.
90 Blood Elf Paladin
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My warlock's a male simply because the females have perma-derp. My warrior started female worgen but I ended up -hating- how 2 1h weapons look on their hips.
This I'd support, my girlfriend would as well.

In all honesty, it'd simply be nice to see the choice in there. Such a shame all that work they put into them are going to waste.
Naw... what happened to Gilneas was a bigger waste but that's another thread.
Edited by Raheya on 10/20/2012 1:51 AM PDT
85 Worgen Mage
10060
I do not want Blizzard to even TOUCH the models. I may be the only one to see them to be adorable. Their eyes are mesmerizing and they can be adorable if you pick the right fur colour and hair style. I don't want my Worgen to look wild.

I like her the way she is.
90 Worgen Warrior
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I do not want Blizzard to even TOUCH the models. I may be the only one to see them to be adorable. Their eyes are mesmerizing and they can be adorable if you pick the right fur colour and hair style. I don't want my Worgen to look wild.

I like her the way she is.

And that's why, if you read the third paragraph, you'd realize that by and large, we're fine with people who like the live model; we're only asking that the Alpha model be available as an option. You are free to choose that model, if you like it more.
90 Night Elf Hunter
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This again?

Weeelllp, time to support the topic once more. Since worgen have so few customization options, I would really like to see this considered.
90 Goblin Warlock
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Eyes. It's all about the eyes. Even if just as a customization option... it's the eyes that ultimately kill them for me.
90 Pandaren Rogue
7060
I was so excited for worgen, and wanted to roll a female so badly. Then the great alpha model was replaced with a chihuahua with derpy Miss Piggy eyes and a TMNT snarl with a kitty smile on front. And we've been given no facial options to change that. The alpha wasn't perfect, but it was an excellent start and is a helluvalot better than the glitchy Derpchihuahua Hooker we have now. She was classy while still possessing savage beauty and predatory cunning.

I do like the live male worgen model more than the alpha simply because it better resembles the NPC worgen model. However, I do love the customization options both it and the alpha female worgen had. The hair styles, and female alpha worgen had choices between a fierce, cute, or beautiful worgen. These are Gilneans. They'll want to at least -try- to make themselves look presentable, which is why I am totally behind the alpha's hair styles for both genders. There are even some that resembled manes, so I'm okay with that. I'm also not against make-up, but don't put it on EVERY face. Female goblins have make-up and no make-up options.

If the updated models get options to use new or old, why not the worgen? Those who like their derpy-eyed hooker chihuahua can keep it, and those who want an actually regal and fierce WORGEN lady can have theirs.
Edited by Seyna on 10/20/2012 11:12 AM PDT
90 Draenei Death Knight
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I was just about to start a new thread on this a few days ago, but then the plumbing in the basement decided to begin a reinactment of a submarine sinking. Long story short, plumbing is fixed and I still support having the alpha model in game as a playable option.
90 Human Mage
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Blizzard had already said if they work on the models they wouldn't update worgen, goblin or pandaren.

/thread
86 Worgen Warrior
8975
Blizzard had already said if they work on the models they wouldn't update worgen, goblin or pandaren.

/thread

We aren't asking for an update. We're asking for a model that's already in the game files to be available for use.
90 Worgen Warrior
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10/20/2012 01:57 PMPosted by Gerart
We aren't asking for an update. We're asking for a model that's already in the game files to be available for use.

I doubt it's in the game files.

In the same way I doubt the old Jade Forest from the MoP beta is in the game files somewhere.
86 Worgen Warrior
8975
10/20/2012 02:00 PMPosted by Jessebella
We aren't asking for an update. We're asking for a model that's already in the game files to be available for use.

I doubt it's in the game files.

In the same way I doubt the old Jade Forest from the MoP beta is in the game files somewhere.

They are in the game files though; I can pull them up through the WMV.
90 Worgen Warrior
7800
10/20/2012 02:07 PMPosted by Gerart
They are in the game files though; I can pull them up through the WMV.

I don't think that means there implementation is somehow simple.
90 Goblin Priest
4280
I really wish they would do this. Then, I would be a worgen. But I just can't bring myself to look like they do now.
90 Worgen Warlock
11850
Can't you guys just wait til after they have completed the first redesigns of the vanilla models first? They've been read these threads over and over throughout cataclysm beta, cataclysm which in my opinion they should of worked worgen models since then but they didn't.

Even during MoP beta they weren't touch and still they haven't replied this issue. You should know by now how this company runs. I know you will counter my post by saying it doesn't hurt to voice out our opinions and etc, but how many times do you want to keep replaying the broken record when knowing good and well they won't respond to it.

We did our fight in early cataclysm beta throughout MoP beta and lost. However we have given them enough information on how we would like the models to be done.

So lets wait for awhile until they mention something about worgen models or keep continue playing the broken record that gets this issue no where.

Edit: I wish they can fix the female worgen halloween mask because they no good and well that isn't our current face.
Edited by Whoppermeal on 10/20/2012 2:33 PM PDT
90 Worgen Warlock
0
Why do you think I always wear goggles? The droopy unfocused eyes are easily my biggest peeve about the appearance of the female worgen model. I was so hyped in the alpha to get super cool glowing eyes, and instead I got "derp." Major disappointment.

http://imagemacros.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/hurr_durr.jpg?w=720

The worgen models as a whole seem to come off as unprofessional compared to some of the other fantastic work they've done in the past and continue to do.

The part that bothers me the most, though, is that supposedly(I'm going off of rumors, here) Blizzard admitted that the femworgen model is a trainwreck because of mis-communication between the concept art and 3d art teams. Mistakes happen, and that's fine...But it frustrates me that they obviously have no intention of correcting their mistake. Correcting their mistakes is something that Blizzard has typically been good about in the past.

I really wish I could have listened in on the conversations that went on regarding the design of the female worgen, because the final product definitely does not feel like it lines up with some of the spectacular concept art (See: Glowei's art on Sonsofthestorm.com/).
Edited by Naerina on 10/20/2012 2:56 PM PDT
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