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Well, I personally differentiate between 10s and 25s. Using Kargath as an example, if there are 50+ 10man teams/guilds and you are #1, then that is definately excellent because you have alot more competition than if you only had three 10man teams/guilds. While ES has definately proven their worth to the server and has had great success in progression, there really isn't alot of competition on the 25man front.
I also like to differentiate between 10s and 25s because some encounters are easier/harder depending on the mode you are tackling them in. Some even have almost completely different strats such as Heroic Warlord in DS from 10s to 25s.
However, please make no mistake, reguardless whether it is 10s or 25s, I commend guilds like FU, ES, BS, MR and others that are able to still go strong and progress well, even on a dieing server. Their acheivements and accomplishments are remarkable and everyone should be giving them applause and props for their outstanding efforts and success.
btw, I did get the "seaman" joke, its old! :)
And I updated the OP to reflect our current needs.
Edited by Battlevixen on 2/14/2013 2:12 AM PST
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