Sick of Blizz Lies about hearing feedback

100 Blood Elf Death Knight
UE
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11/13/2012 11:01 AMPosted by Cozzene
except for some minor bugs CRZ is fine and you don't have to do dailies
I want the mount reward from Shad Pan - Exalted. How do I get there without dailies? I'm glad there's another way to get exalted outside of dailies, can't believe I missed it!

If they hear us, and appreciate our feedback, they could at the very least, strike a middle ground. Dailies are lengthy and boring, and even in 470+ ilvl I'm finding mobs just take too long to go down; who here actually likes taking 10 seconds to kill a single generic unnamed quest mob... then needing 11 more of them? "The Bigger They Come" is one of my least favourite dailies of all of them, from any faction. High hp, packed mobs, and spawn camping. That's been the daily on my server for the last three days.
You don't get the mount. You have to put in some effort, doing dailies, to get that particular reward. You don't need that mount to do anything else in game so it's not mandatory.
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90 Troll Hunter
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11/13/2012 11:01 AMPosted by Cozzene
except for some minor bugs CRZ is fine and you don't have to do dailies
I want the mount reward from Shad Pan - Exalted. How do I get there without dailies? I'm glad there's another way to get exalted outside of dailies, can't believe I missed it!

If they hear us, and appreciate our feedback, they could at the very least, strike a middle ground. Dailies are lengthy and boring, and even in 470+ ilvl I'm finding mobs just take too long to go down; who here actually likes taking 10 seconds to kill a single generic unnamed quest mob... then needing 11 more of them? "The Bigger They Come" is one of my least favourite dailies of all of them, from any faction. High hp, packed mobs, and spawn camping. That's been the daily on my server for the last three days.


No, see, in their eyes unless you absolutely require it to be able to play the game then you don't 'have' to do it. I've been saying since these arguments began that if you are a competitive raider, if you are in a progression guild, you are required to do the dailies without question. You NEED the coins. You NEED the valor. It's really frustrating that the replies I've seen from them have always just written this off as 'well you can get by without them'. Can you do no dailies and still get by? Sure. But it's a MASSIVELY less efficient way of doing so. If people feel forced to do content they don't enjoy simply because otherwise they feel they are holding back their group then that points to a flaw in the design.
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100 Blood Elf Death Knight
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I've been saying since these arguments began that if you are a competitive raider, if you are in a progression guild, you are required to do the dailies without question. You NEED the coins. You NEED the valor.
If you aren't in a top world or server guild you don't need to do those things. The gear you have is enough for the content you are doing.
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90 Orc Hunter
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what makes your feedback to have more value in comparison to others? what make you think you are the one that speaks the truth?

they do what they find to be the best for the game and thats not always what you think is the best for the game. deal with it, make constructive feedback if you really believe your point is worth it, take constructive feedback as well and adapt or else why should anyone even consider what you are saying?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbT-cW8Zb7o&list=SP1356569F10D695CE&index=12&feature=plpp_video
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90 Draenei Shaman
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11/13/2012 11:05 AMPosted by Pengalor
I want the mount reward from Shad Pan - Exalted. How do I get there without dailies? I'm glad there's another way to get exalted outside of dailies, can't believe I missed it!

If they hear us, and appreciate our feedback, they could at the very least, strike a middle ground. Dailies are lengthy and boring, and even in 470+ ilvl I'm finding mobs just take too long to go down; who here actually likes taking 10 seconds to kill a single generic unnamed quest mob... then needing 11 more of them? "The Bigger They Come" is one of my least favourite dailies of all of them, from any faction. High hp, packed mobs, and spawn camping. That's been the daily on my server for the last three days.


No, see, in their eyes unless you absolutely require it to be able to play the game then you don't 'have' to do it. I've been saying since these arguments began that if you are a competitive raider, if you are in a progression guild, you are required to do the dailies without question. You NEED the coins. You NEED the valor. It's really frustrating that the replies I've seen from them have always just written this off as 'well you can get by without them'. Can you do no dailies and still get by? Sure. But it's a MASSIVELY less efficient way of doing so. If people feel forced to do content they don't enjoy simply because otherwise they feel they are holding back their group then that points to a flaw in the design.


everybody should be equal like in socialism... right? regardless of effort and time spent, no need to achieve....
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90 Pandaren Monk
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11/13/2012 11:01 AMPosted by Guanping
I think their stocks show a little bit more disappointment in this expansion then they really want to admit. The expansion itself, I feel, is overall a joy, but it seems CRZ and the return of massive amounts of dailies has indeed turned people away. Whether they are mandatory or not, boring crappy content is boring and crappy.


Using Activision Blizzard stock as a point of reference for WoW's popularity isn't entirely accurate, I feel. The stock represents the value of the company as a whole. That includes all titles, products, and services that the company offers. I'm sure a lot of shareholders trading on the market don't play any of their games.
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100 Tauren Death Knight
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is better to complain outside the wow forums, blizz will react and fix it faster in fear of getting any bad rep that can potentially scare new players to purchase the game, these days complaining at the wow forums will only get a politically correct answer from a gm and quickly be dismissed as if they have fixed the whole issue (in the best case scenario)
Edited by Bullcrush on 11/13/2012 11:11 AM PST
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Daxxarri:

I would just like to add the fact that higher or faster rewards are always looked as mandatory.

What you think is mandatory and what is mandatory to people is far different.
In theory its not mandatory to farm all reputations, in practice it its, because if you do not guilds will boot you out.
I would boot out any player from my raid that fails to farm all reputations and cap Valor every week until there is no more gear he can acquire.

That happens because there is 10 or 25 players in a guild, and if one of then lags behind because he does not want to do the farming will cause problems to the other 9 or 24 players on the raid.
The boss that would have died could wipe the raid at 1% because someone failed to upgread their gear to the max current possible.

When you play a cooperative game, that is so focused on gear, getting the best possible outside the raid is a chore every player must do, because if they do not, they will be acting careless with the other peoples time.

So this idea that its not a "Must" is false. The reality shows otherwise, people that clearly DONT WANT to do it, like me, are forced to do it.

I will speak clearly for myself, i FEEL forced, and most of my guild members too, no one really LIKES doing the dailies. In fact most of us HATES it, but we all do it, because we NEED to do in order to respect each other time, and in order the improve our chances of getting the bosses down.

We arent doing it because its fun, or good design or anything like that. We are doing something we DONT like, because it will improve our chances of winning because of the game design.

I'm not saying its a total failure, but something needs to change BADLY right now.

I would suggest removing raiding gear from Reputation.
Adding more valor to dungeon runs, and i mean like triple the amount given right now.
Let the quests gives valor too, and add vanity items to factions.

I would LOVE to grind for Blood Sail Admiral title, but i HATE to do so as a daily chore.
Dailies feels like obligation, farming something way harder for something you really want but you dont need feels like "fun".

I want to do dailies when i feel like it, i want to farm blood sail reputation when i can, i dont want to lose my sleep hours because i had no time to complete my dailies that day, and i need to sleep to get up early the next day, but i need to lose more then 1 hour to complete my dailies before the dailies reset time... And yes, that is how it feels right now...

You cant expect improved gear to be "optional".
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90 Troll Hunter
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11/13/2012 11:07 AMPosted by Snow
I've been saying since these arguments began that if you are a competitive raider, if you are in a progression guild, you are required to do the dailies without question. You NEED the coins. You NEED the valor.
If you aren't in a top world or server guild you don't need to do those things. The gear you have is enough for the content you are doing.


Yeah, I said that. You don't absolutely have to have it to do the content. However, by not doing it you are essentially going to hold back your group because you aren't using your every advantage to gear up as much as you can.



No, see, in their eyes unless you absolutely require it to be able to play the game then you don't 'have' to do it. I've been saying since these arguments began that if you are a competitive raider, if you are in a progression guild, you are required to do the dailies without question. You NEED the coins. You NEED the valor. It's really frustrating that the replies I've seen from them have always just written this off as 'well you can get by without them'. Can you do no dailies and still get by? Sure. But it's a MASSIVELY less efficient way of doing so. If people feel forced to do content they don't enjoy simply because otherwise they feel they are holding back their group then that points to a flaw in the design.


everybody should be equal like in socialism... right? regardless of effort and time spent, no need to achieve....


That's not even close to what I'm saying. Besides how exactly does socialism compare to a game? You know, those things meant to be played for fun and enjoyment?
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85 Night Elf Druid
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11/13/2012 10:35 AMPosted by Daxxarri
No doubt someone will mention profession recipes. Profession recipes have virtually always required some hoop jumping - ranging from RNG raid drops to rep grinds; the best recipes have always required a little something extra.


Yea but the hoop jumping went nuclear this time. I have 10 alts and at the end of Cataclysm I had every single one at max profession. They were able to craft a couple pieces without a SERIOUS grind. Take the Helicopter from BC. A couple hours grind and I had it. Then in Cata I was able to reasonably get the Epic Head pieces from Engineering. I've gotten 3 characters to 90 and if I combine ALL the spirit of Harmony together, I MIGHT have about 6 TOTAL.

Coupling Living Metal WITH Trillium WITH Harmony is a bit much.
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90 Blood Elf Hunter
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[quote][quote]

Yes, Pandaria sold over a million copies, but it also sold less than Cata did . . .


Sold less then Cata because many people were/are waiting for feedback from the player base if they fixed that utter failed expac called Cata...
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100 Blood Elf Death Knight
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Yeah, I said that. You don't absolutely have to have it to do the content. However, by not doing it you are essentially going to hold back your group because you aren't using your every advantage to gear up as much as you can.
You not getting a piece of valor gear is holding back your raid? If your 3 coins failed on getting loot were you held back? You are in the same spot as if you had never had the coins in the first place.
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90 Worgen Death Knight
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I have a question and a suggestion for a solution to a lot of gripe. This is coming from a person who has their Pandaren Kite String (AKA all reps at exaulted)

What is the huge deal with daily quests and why do I feel compelled to do them all the time on multiple toons?

Well my biggest gripe with daily quests is that I play tanks, and It takes me quite a bit longer to get through daily quests than a DPS, heck even healers (I've grouped with Holy Paladins and Holy Priests) have a much quicker time than me dealing with mobs with how Vengence needs to stack. Mobs simply have too much health to constitute killing so many, although I did enjoy the double dipping effect Klaxxi and Golden Lotus dailies had with the Black Prince rep.

My second biggest gripe is with the lack of originality most of the quests have, Collect this and Kill that make up 90% of the daily quests with a few exceptions like the Rolling quest on the Wall, and the plant this and that during the Tillers daily grind. Some of the quests I enjoy are the bombing run quests for the Klaxxi where I just need to bomb a few mobs and it doesn't take forever, and its kinda fun when you have to alternate different abilities to kill certain mobs (for example you cant just green bomb the giant adds, you need to Red then green them to murder em). Another quest I enjoy is the Races for Cloud Serpents and the rolling race on the Wall. Every time I find myself trying to find shorter paths and ways to beat my time.

My Third biggest gripe is whenever I want to raid on a toon I have to go do these daily quests as I feel like I'm gimping my progression team unless I have all the best gear I can obtain. There exists people like us blizzard who HATE disappointing others. CRAZY I KNOW! So unless I do at least 45 daily quests a week to obtain the 90 lesser charms I need for my 3 Greater charms in order to get that slightly extra chance on an item to improve my performance, I feel guilty that I'm holding us back, and the other people of my raiding team agree. During Cataclysm, I used to raid on several toons, which was fun for me. This expansion, i'm finding it tough to even level up multiple toons as I'll feel that temptation to go raid which is unfortunate because I ENJOY raiding this tier, its easily the best bosses I've seen since Ulduar but its the daily grind that keeps me from actually leveling up to enjoy it.

The gear is not mandatory yes but if it helps progression, a progression raider will do it, and I understand progression raiding isn't as big as it once was but it still exists none the less.

Now for my suggestion of a solution

Give people a choice. Once you hit revered with a faction on one character on your realm you can purchase a reputation tabard which is Bind on Account - This allows us to earn the rest of the reputation the way we desire, and since its at revered we still have to spend a good bit of time on the factions in the world anyway, but since the tabard is bind on account we won't feel AS burned out on the content by seeing the same daily quests but in different locations. We will still be doing some of those daily quests for our charms, but not as much and it wont burn the altaholics out so much that they don't even want to level the rest of their alts.

Please give us this choice as that was your biggest marketing point in this expansion, choice on character progression.
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90 Orc Hunter
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11/13/2012 11:13 AMPosted by Locuid
No doubt someone will mention profession recipes. Profession recipes have virtually always required some hoop jumping - ranging from RNG raid drops to rep grinds; the best recipes have always required a little something extra.


Yea but the hoop jumping went nuclear this time. I have 10 alts and at the end of Cataclysm I had every single one at max profession. They were able to craft a couple pieces without a SERIOUS grind. Take the Helicopter from BC. A couple hours grind and I had it. Then in Cata I was able to reasonably get the Epic Head pieces from Engineering. I've gotten 3 characters to 90 and if I combine ALL the spirit of Harmony together, I MIGHT have about 6 TOTAL.

Coupling Living Metal WITH Trillium WITH Harmony is a bit much.
you can get max professions without even lvling your alts at 85 and get almost all recipes other then the rep ones.

imo a lot better to work the way it is now this way at least craftables have more value and are worth doing..
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90 Troll Hunter
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11/13/2012 11:15 AMPosted by Snow
Yeah, I said that. You don't absolutely have to have it to do the content. However, by not doing it you are essentially going to hold back your group because you aren't using your every advantage to gear up as much as you can.
You not getting a piece of valor gear is holding back your raid? If your 3 coins failed on getting loot were you held back? You are in the same spot as if you had never had the coins in the first place.


Yes, you are, because you didn't do the content that gave you that chance. As someone said in another thread, 'every advantage I don't take is a penalty'. Sure, ASSUMING your coins don't give you gear then you would be in the same place than if you hadn't done it. However, you won't KNOW if they didn't work unless you actually do it so by not doing it you have a 100% chance of not gaining that advantage.
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90 Tauren Druid
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I don't understand where this dailies aren't mandatory thing comes from.

So I now have 9 alts (and this main) at 90, 2 of the alts are geared and running lfr, they have geared through heroic dungeons and scenarios.

Now while doing LFR, heroics, and senarioes, I've gotten these things called valor points on these alts, they cap at 3k so I can't just keep them forever, but anything I may want to buy with them requires rep with a faction.

But I'm not going to grind rep on alts, so these valor points, which not only do I get but when my main gets valor capped for the week I get a bonus to how many vp they get per run. Not to mention you passively get them anyway just from running lfr.

So now if dailies are not mandatory to do, for a main, and lets say I make my alt dk my main and go to start collecting gear as a new player, I look and see that I have all these valor points that I'm essentially passively getting, what do I do with them? I can no longer turn them into conquest for conquest gear, I'm not doing dailies so the other rewards are out of the question, the upgrade system isn't out yet (and when it is will it even work with lfr gear), so what do I do with my valor if grinding rep isn't required?
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16 Troll Druid
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Blizzard of course 'lies', all companies lie, just as all politicians lie (using a broad definition of lying to include being disingenuous or misleading by omission).

Do you think they are going to come out and state something like...

"CRZ exists and will not be removed because it is a key part of our parent company's focus on operational efficiency, and we are counting on it saving us $XX million in expense costs."

Or

"Dailies and content gates and other time sinks exist to artificially extend the life of content thereby maximizing the amount of revenue we earn against content investments."

This isn't to say they don't try to balance financial and business decisions with delivering a product that is enjoyable by as many players as possible, just know that like all companies, Blizzard will always try to put a positive spin on everything.
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100 Draenei Shaman
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I love how, when back into a corner about being misleading to it's customer base, Blizzard uses "loopholes" to get out of it.

*Technically, you do not have to dailies at all... technically.

*"CRZ was implemented so that people leveling would have more fun". We aren't having fun. "That one guy is. We don't know his name, and if we did, we couldn't release it, but trust us, he is having a blast".

Gotta love the double talk.
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