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I know there are a zillion "best tank threads" but I am curious specifically about soloing old content. Based on other threads it seems like pallies or blood DKs might be the best. Of these two which comes out ahead? Does either one put out more DPS than the other?

Blood DK or fury warrior.

DKs come out ahead generally. That being said, depending what you're trying to solo, you may find something else will have an easier time due to specific interactions with fight mechanics. Kael'thas, for example, will be able to MC a blood DK because of bloodworms.

11/17/2012 06:09 PMPosted by Cochlea

Does either one put out more DPS than the other?

If the past is any indication, that'd be blood DKs. In cata they did more DPS solo than several DPS specs were capable of :p.

If you're talking about pre-cata "old content",

11/17/2012 06:16 PMPosted by Nerfheals

specific interactions with fight mechanics

Will probably play a larger role than anything else, though.

I just started soloing old instances. Only bosses I haven't been able to solo as a warrior are:

-Lady Vashj (could possibly be done with raid gear and a flask)
-Shrine of Lost Souls (CC in phase two will keep you CC'd infinitely; around 20 minutes for me before a GM saved me)
-Twin emperors in AQ40 (can't be soloed due to massive healing from one of the emps)
-Razorgore (he'll be soloable next patch, though)

Kael is easily the hardest fight I've done solo; you have to be on top of your cooldowns and active mitigation. Most annoying fight was the ogre bosses in Gruul's lair (damn that deathcoil with no apparent cooldown...almost CC'd me right out of the instance).

-Twin emperors in AQ40 (can't be soloed due to massive healing from one of the emps)
-Razorgore (he'll be soloable next patch, though)

I know warriors did Twin Emps at 85. "Massive healing" amounts to about 20k HPS, it's really not bad.

Warriors also did Razorgore at 85, though I'm not 100% sure on how well second wind works for that. I can't imagine it would be too much worse than blood craze was, other than getting low enough to trigger it in the first place (which you can do most of on your own, just by stripping and re-equipping before the pull).

Since 5.0, Razor's been bugged and you don't get any pushback when channeling the orb. As long as you can do some sort of threat (say, healing threat) while channeling, you don't even need to do anything else, except maybe aoe the adds every once in a while to not die.

Vashj could be an interesting fight though. BR should definitely be up for every strider, so it's just a matter of killing those in that 6 second window, and keeping her stacks somewhat low so you don't die before she does in p3.

You may find Fury better for soloing some things. Twin Emps, for instance, you can burn through their healing as Fury, and being able to apply a -healing debuff doesn't hurt. Same deal with KT - being able to burn through what's-her-face that does the burning disorient before that goes out will make things much easier when you get all four advisers.

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/6036454104

I'll shamelessly link my DK guide to soloing raids. I updated it for 5.0, but there are still a few gaps (I'm in school). And my gear isn't raid level this tier, so there are still some fights out of my reach. But at the moment, I'm downing naxx 25 without much trouble. I managed to get down gormokk in toc 25, but the worms killed me before I could get my cooldowns up.

I know warriors did Twin Emps at 85. "Massive healing" amounts to about 20k HPS, it's really not bad.

Warriors also did Razorgore at 85, though I'm not 100% sure on how well second wind works for that. I can't imagine it would be too much worse than blood craze was, other than getting low enough to trigger it in the first place (which you can do most of on your own, just by stripping and re-equipping before the pull).

Since 5.0, Razor's been bugged and you don't get any pushback when channeling the orb. As long as you can do some sort of threat (say, healing threat) while channeling, you don't even need to do anything else, except maybe aoe the adds every once in a while to not die.

Vashj could be an interesting fight though. BR should definitely be up for every strider, so it's just a matter of killing those in that 6 second window, and keeping her stacks somewhat low so you don't die before she does in p3.

I don't have a full offset yet, but I'll give twin emps another try again when I do. Is C'thun soloable?

On Razor, went and looked up a video or two of it, which I should have done first, lol, but they were relying on blood craze, which apparently doesn't work anymore (I only came back a couple weeks ago after taking a two year break). Would like to get this guy at least once before they change it...

On Vashj, my problem was that the toxic elementals weren't spawning in ideal locations, since they despawn after a certain amount of time, and if a strider appears, well, there goes a few wasted precious seconds killing it. would it be better to just stay on one side of the platform to reach toxic elementals easier/quicker?

11/18/2012 12:27 AMPosted by Boudacious

Is C'thun soloable?

Sort of. You can bring Ouro into the fight with you so you don't auto-die when he pulls you into the stomach, but odds are you won't be able to kill the tentacles in the stomach, and if you can't, he'll keep his damage reduction and you'd have to burn through that (1M health, 99% DR, 100M damage to burn iirc). The times I've tried it it gets very laggy pretty quickly, so I wouldn't recommend it. Just bring a friend.

For razor, Second Wind should work very similarly to how blood craze used to work, except requiring you to be below 35%. I'm sure it could work somehow. Regrowth works for me, and that requires being below 50%.

For Vashj, Toxic Eles won't despawn after they've died, so all you need to do is get in range for heroic throw. Between charge and heroic leap, as long as you're alert and see where the poison bolts are flying from, that shouldn't be too difficult. When striders are up at the same time, you probably just need to ignore them while you get to and kill the toxic ele (Unless of course they're directly between you and the ele, in which case, improvise something, likely using BR early to go for the ele, then bladestorming after for the extra time to kill the strider).

They're not despawning after they die, they're despawning before they're even hit. I've watched several vanish before my eyes as I was running to get in range for heroic throw. It's like they were spawning, shooting a few times, and then leaving.

Right, they aren't active for very long. Unless they've been accidentally changed (which is possible, a lot of that has been happening recently), though, you should have a good ~10 seconds to get to them.

11/18/2012 08:51 AMPosted by Boudacious

They're not despawning after they die, they're despawning before they're even hit. I've watched several vanish before my eyes as I was running to get in range for heroic throw. It's like they were spawning, shooting a few times, and then leaving.

Just did Lady today, for the the first time in YEARS..

The seem to despawn very quickly, and you just need to be on top of it.. There are raid warnings for when the pop and you simply just need to be on top of it.

Dont worry so much about her damage as its near zero at our lvl.

How do you plan on killing razorgore solo? I did it 2 man at 85 many times, but how do you MC him so that you can kill the eggs and keep him alive at the same time as a warrior?

I very much would like to know what they plan on doing for that? Are they nerfing BWL?? I sure hope not.

As far as Twin emps goes, you can do that if you go in as a DPS spec easily.

Cthun is impossible to solo due to the fact if all of the raid.......... ( you being solo ) are in his stomach, then you all die. ( you because your solo )

You can 2 man it, but you very much have to be on your toes and its almost best to have a rogue partner for that so he can step the tenticles in the stomach and get out asap.

All of the rest of the bosses asside from Ruby sanc final boss and the first boss in sunwell are solo ez mode as well.

i keep hearing how pallys and warriors and dks can solo old content. but has anyone solod old content with a brewmaster? i have no idea why its so hard to find anyone who does much on brewmasters but it is. just wondreing if bms can hold their own in old content soloing like dks and pallys can.

I know naxx 25 at the very least is doable as BM

What about Four Horsemen or Instructor? Do they give you any trouble?

11/18/2012 09:25 AMPosted by Cezar

Cthun is impossible to solo due to the fact if all of the raid.......... ( you being solo ) are in his stomach, then you all die. ( you because your solo )

I solo'd C'thun as a Blood DK at level 85. It took an hour and a half, but it's doable.

What about Four Horsemen or Instructor? Do they give you any trouble?

Neither is difficult on 25 man at level 90. Patch is much more of a challenge; he really tests your knowledge of cooldowns. The only fight in there I can't get past yet is gluth 25, because he simply heals too much.

11/18/2012 09:37 AMPosted by Deadlysinner

i keep hearing how pallys and warriors and dks can solo old content. but has anyone solod old content with a brewmaster? i have no idea why its so hard to find anyone who does much on brewmasters but it is. just wondreing if bms can hold their own in old content soloing like dks and pallys can.

Brewmaster has enough self-healing to solo quite a bit of stuff. I would say they were on par with blood DK's and paladins.

I want to make my way solo'ing as much of the old content as I can as brewmaster or windwalker, but haven't had much time :( Only thing I've tried is Omnotron 10 man as brewmaster and I killed em after a few tries. Probably the most fun I've had in this game in a long time haha