As the OP to the original capped thread, I did read all 26 pages of replies and I wanted to respond to a couple:
IDK what the big problem is with you people. I love it when I get into one that is in progress. I get the valor points for doing half a raid. Then The next time I queue it puts in in a fresh raid.
The people that leave after a wipe and scan lfr progress when they queue to find a fresh raid are to blame, OP you sound like you were a cause to the problem not a solution. Just finish the damn raid and queue for a new one to get the bosses you missed.
I think you misunderstood. I have absolutely NO problem accepting a 2/6 or a 2/4 or whatever when it's the first time I do the raid for that week. The order in which I kill the bosses makes no difference to me; if it's my first run of the week, I'm more than happy to help out a raid in progress, regardless of why they're 2/6 or 2/4 (wiping, people leaving, whatever, I don't care, I'll still join it).
HOWEVER, after I complete those remaining 1 or 2 bosses, is it selfish to expect a fresh raid next time I queue so that I can fairly kill the first 1 or 2 bosses that I haven't killed yet? I don't think this makes me "entitled" at all. After I help out that raid and then the next one I get is also 2/6 or 2/4... Well, my patience fades at that point. I port into the raid, see that I've already killed the remaining bosses and have NO chance at loot (or even gold) from any of them, so I want to port and hopefully get a fresh queue, but now I'm stuck waiting for the 30 minute buff to wear off? This makes no sense whatsoever.
People are being punished just for being unlucky with the RNG/queue system. A lot of people are misunderstanding and thinking that those people who are unhappy with this change are people who ALWAYS want a 0/6 fresh raid, or who are selfish, entitled, etc. Quite the opposite. Many of us are more than willing to join a raid in progress IF the next one we join is guaranteed to give us the bosses we still need. Sadly, this is NOT the case.
11/29/2012 03:39 PMI'd just like to say Blizzard that this change was a great idea, and 90% of the people who think its a bad change just don't understand how LFR queues work.
Posted by Dayuv
This just made me laugh, I'm sorry. Please enlighten me on what I'm not understanding. LFR is basically a PUG. I always give the first raid a shot, whether it's in progress or not. However with this new change, AFTER I complete that first raid, I'm not given the chance to see if it's another in-progress, and I have to leave it up to "gambling" on whether or not I'm going to A) get the fresh raid I need; B) spend 10-20-30 minutes killing a boss(es) I've already killed; C) spend 30-45 minutes wiping on a boss I've already killed due to having a bad raid composition; or D) leaving and being stuck with a 30 minute penalty before I can queue again (effectively 55 minutes before I can join a new raid).
I can give a horse's patoot about Valor points, because I'm almost always capped after doing my dailies and some other LFR's by Friday, so taking an extra 30 minutes (either by debuff or by trudging through bosses I've already killed) is a very inefficient way to spend my already limited playtime. Anyone who says "a good person will complete a raid for the benefit of others, even if they get no loot or benefit themselves" is being incredibly dense. It has nothing to do with being a good person; it is simply human nature and you cannot fault a person for wanting to spend their time in a way that is most beneficial to them. As someone with limited playtime, it's not my job to "suck it up" and repeat the same content over and over just because someone else decided his time was more valuable and left/deserted.I will reiterate - many of us would NOT have a problem with the status being hidden IF we were GUARANTEED a fresh raid after completing an in-progress raid. "ALMOST" or "VERY CLOSE" to guaranteed is just not enough. For those of you who claim to "always" get a fresh raid the second time, consider yourselves very lucky, because this is NOT the case for everyone.