If Deep Freeze didnt exist how effective.....

90 Undead Mage
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11/29/2012 04:39 AMPosted by Deist
A Mage without Deep Freeze would be like a Priest without Fear, a Warrior without stun, a DK without death-grip...


Its worse actually, because we literally cannot do damage without our cc's.
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90 Human Mage
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I remember back in vanilla that you could kill someone in a frost nova / frost bolt + CoC cast

clearly mages don't need anything else today since you could kill people with those three spells back then
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55 Blood Elf Death Knight
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11/28/2012 08:12 PMPosted by Valexion
Both fire and frost would be useless in pvp.


Hi MoP baby. Fire mages didn't even have it before 5.0
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90 Human Mage
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11/29/2012 10:17 AMPosted by Garadine
Both fire and frost would be useless in pvp.


Hi MoP baby. Fire mages didn't even have it before 5.0

Fire was also useless beyond gimmick RBG combustion spreads (Which was changed completely with 5.0)
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90 Undead Mage
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You can't compare different expansions.. the game changes too much.
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90 Troll Mage
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11/29/2012 10:17 AMPosted by Garadine
Both fire and frost would be useless in pvp.


Hi MoP baby. Fire mages didn't even have it before 5.0


Fire also had an extra root, and their burst relied on a one good pyro crit, not 5000 pyro crits
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90 Draenei Shaman
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its too weird when you and smoovie post one after the other.

one of you find a less bff-like transmog.
Edited by Jkspiritlink on 11/29/2012 12:33 PM PST
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90 Human Mage
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Fire was also useless beyond gimmick RBG combustion spreads (Which was changed completely with 5.0)


Actually fire put out some stupid damage. Least likely to survive but while there up they were incredible. Also 1 on 1 if the mage knew how to play he could be even worse than a frost mage.

you're confusing fire with arcane I think.
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90 Draenei Shaman
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Actually fire put out some stupid damage. Least likely to survive but while there up they were incredible. Also 1 on 1 if the mage knew how to play he could be even worse than a frost mage


Fire was good in cata because of what Xiun said.

1 RNG pyroblast into an Imp CoC root with combustion afterwards was GG.

now you need to chain 100000 pyroblasts into shatters because of just how the spec deals damage has changed.

it used to be all about getting that ridic combustion on clowns, but now combustion sucks and pyroblast is the big hitter.
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90 Blood Elf Mage
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Any mage saying useless is downright retarded.

Mages didn't have Deep in wotlk or prior and they were just FINE. In fact RMP was top dog comp.

Using that logic, why don't we reduce your HP to 35k? I mean, that's what it was in S5 and DKs were just FINE. Shadowcleave was top dog comp.
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90 Troll Mage
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its too weird when you and smoovie post one after the other.

one of you find a less bff-like transmog.


It wouldn't be an issue if smoovie wasn't a jerk and stole my goggles.


you're confusing fire with arcane I think.


I don't think he's confusing fire with the worst spec ever.
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90 Human Mage
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11/29/2012 12:59 PMPosted by Xiun
I don't think he's confusing fire with the worst spec ever.

Come on now, cata arcane was fun in BGs when people ignored you
Edited by Mumrit on 11/29/2012 1:10 PM PST
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90 Goblin Mage
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11/29/2012 01:09 PMPosted by Mumrit
I don't think he's confusing fire with the worst spec ever.

Come on now, cata arcane was fun in BGs when people ignored you


Wrath arcane was even better, because the spec was so simple and consistently one of the top PVE performers as well for most of the expansion.

People also had fewer means of catching you back in wrath, so it was easier to stay alive in bgs.
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90 Worgen Mage
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Derr, back in vanilla mages could win by using pom pyro, so I think we'd be just fine if we walked up to every person and threw a single instant pyro at them now.

Love the logic of people arguing past expansion balance.
Edited by Harlach on 11/29/2012 2:09 PM PST
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11/29/2012 12:32 PMPosted by Jkspiritlink
1 RNG pyroblast into an Imp CoC root with combustion afterwards was GG.


it was more CoC, then a scorch-fireblast combo, frost nova, pyro, combust. However you could of course have had a RNG hotstreak.

11/29/2012 10:17 AMPosted by Garadine
Hi MoP baby. Fire mages didn't even have it before 5.0


you forget that we had imp CoC, and combustion was overpowered
Edited by Suntimehappy on 11/29/2012 2:55 PM PST
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90 Human Warlock
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11/28/2012 08:33 PMPosted by Ratedarr
deepfreeze wasn't always in the game, And mages did just fine before it was added.


Melee didn't have 20 million different gap closers, frost didn't have quite as much cc's or controlling abilities vs melee and melee didn't have as many if any interrupts.

So mages as well as other casters could actually cast something with a casting cost.

I do miss the days when frostbolt could root and you could use rank 1 frostbolt to almost perma root a melee lol.
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90 Human Warlock
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Derr, back in vanilla mages could win by using pom pyro, so I think we'd be just fine if we walked up to every person and threw a single instant pyro at them now.

Love the logic of people arguing past expansion balance.


I remember 3 minute mages. My demo lock ate them up back then.
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