Please revert the 5.1 PTR changes

90 Blood Elf Hunter
Req
3350
Lynx Rush, Bestial Wrath and Rabid for 5.1.

Stampede bug is fixed, Hunters are dropping of Arena top rankings, there is no more crazy 1-shot macro. Stampede used to do 500% pet damage plus the buffs. Now its back to 200%.

A 300% nerf(fix) to the OP ability is far enough to fix the burst.

There are no more Hunter OP, Nerf Hunters threads. That tells me that hunters are much weaker.

The changes which seemed right before the Stampede arena fix are no more needed.
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100 Goblin Rogue
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Disagree on lynx rush, others should be looked at, bestial wrath change should probably stay. you should want more interesting playstyle changes than keeping your immunity damage buffs.
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90 Draenei Shaman
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yeah the change to BW and Avatar make sense, I'd say keeping those is logical.
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90 Human Paladin
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Those nerfs are the only reason players still exist in this game. The problem is 5.1 isn't coming fast enough.
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90 Blood Elf Hunter
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3350
Those nerfs are the only reason players still exist in this game. The problem is 5.1 isn't coming fast enough.


why? are hunters still killing people in a stampede?
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90 Human Mage
CFT
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11/25/2012 11:03 AMPosted by Leonoir
bestial wrath change should probably stay.


Agree on this. All other cooldowns players can pop can be countered with dispels or cc. Why should BW be any different?

why? are hunters still killing people in a stampede?


Lynx Rush, bro.
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90 Orc Shaman
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Agree on this. All other cooldowns players can pop can be countered with dispels or cc. Why should BW be any different?
You can still CC the hunter. No hunter in play = no KC, no Lynx Rush, no Stampede. BTW, not sure if people are noticing, but after they hotfixed Stampede and Spirit Mend during Stampede, hunters have been on steady decline. Currently at 8% rep for all 3 brackets, down from 16% they started out with.

http://www.crossladder.com/arena/stats/
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90 Gnome Rogue
16300
Lol @ traditionally OP classes (who've gotten more than their fair share of PVP glory time and time again previously) trying to justify all of the Hunter nerfs coming in 5.1. The cold, hard, indisputable facts are that right at this momment, the Hunter class is average on any reputable arena ladder database (about in the middle of the pack). Other than possibly Lynx Rush, trying to defend all of the other nerfs is just another pathetic attempt by everyone to get Hunters right back to the bottom of the barrel where they have almost always been before and where everyone feels they should always remain.

It never ceases to amaze me how when the Hunter class pulls itself from at or near last place to become (gasp!!) competitive, everyone starts screaming "OP!" Hunters in their current state are average people. If you are losing to them now then that says more about you than them.

And I didn't even address the fact that Hunters are already at the bottom in PVE
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90 Blood Elf Hunter
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3350
Lol @ traditionally OP classes (who've gotten more than their fair share of PVP glory time and time again previously) trying to justify all of the Hunter nerfs coming in 5.1. The cold, hard, indisputable facts are that right at this momment, the Hunter class is average on any reputable arena ladder database (about in the middle of the pack). Other than possibly Lynx Rush, trying to defend all of the other nerfs is just another pathetic attempt by everyone to get Hunters right back to the bottom of the barrel where they have almost always been before and where everyone feels they should always remain.It never ceases to amaze me how when the Hunter class pulls itself from at or near last place to become (gasp!!) competitive, everyone starts screaming "OP!" Hunters in their current state are average people. If you are losing to them now then that says more about you than them.And I didn't even address the fact that Hunters are already at the bottom in PVE


So much this. I hope Devs read this...
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90 Worgen Druid
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Too the ground baby
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It never ceases to amaze me how when the Hunter class pulls itself from at or near last place to become (gasp!!) competitive, everyone starts screaming "OP!" Hunters in their current state are average people. If you are losing to them now then that says more about you than them.


To be fair, this happens to most classes, not just Hunters. Even so, while I can't speak to whether the nerfs are warranted or not, the attitude towards Hunters certainly isn't. This game is better for everyone when everyone is competitive with each other.
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100 Orc Shaman
HC
17440
Stupid nerfs to PVP make hunters even weaker in PVE.

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Does nothing to pve.
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100 Goblin Warlock
17165
11/25/2012 04:22 PMPosted by Pewpewblast
bestial wrath change should probably stay.


Agree on this. All other cooldowns players can pop can be countered with dispels or cc. Why should BW be any different?

why? are hunters still killing people in a stampede?


Lynx Rush, bro.


Bladestorm the closest effect to BW can only be stopped by 1 type of cc: disarms

BW change makes all cc and snares etc work on the pet. So there is a discrepency. Valid fix? Make BW only stoppable by deenrages:shiv, soothe, etc.

Making the pet able to be cc'd is not the answer.
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100 Troll Hunter
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11/25/2012 11:08 AMPosted by Thundahstahm
yeah the change to BW and Avatar make sense, I'd say keeping those is logical.

1) You can CC the hunter, have been able to since Cata
2) Without the hunter, BW damage plummets, significantly

That right there shows why this nerf isn't really needed. It won't change much other than destroy the entire point of the pet CC immunity which is as follows:

1) The spec is overtly dependent on the pet (compared to even other pet specs)

2) Every 50 seconds out of 60, assuming maximum up time, which over 80% of the time assuming you use the ability on cooldown, even more so if you use it strategically, you as a player are subject to 2x the amount of CC impacting your output. What I refer to is not just having two targets for the opposing side to CC, but the opposing side have two sets of DR to burn through in order to negate over half your damage, and several key pieces of utility.

Bestial Wrath, gave you 10 seconds where you were only subject to one set of DR effects, just like every other player.

So no, sorry, this does not make sense. This is a knee-jerk reaction to the sudden OP nature of the BM spec, something that hasn't really happened since the beginning of WotLK (which many probably recall what happened then).

The problem with BM was the Stampede bug (emphasis on BUG), and the ability to stack CDs, specifically CDs with up front burst (LR and Rabid, Rabid specifically with BW and Lynx Rush, or with just simple Basic Attacks due to Wild Hunt).

LR, Rabid and even the Mend-pede nerf could probably be fine as they are, after all, from what I have seen, they are simply burst nerfs, with minimal impact on the net impact of the ability. This BW change is just overkill.
Edited by Verdash on 11/26/2012 5:38 AM PST
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90 Goblin Warlock
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people who think the changes are warranted don't play hunter and seem to have average logical capacity at best. it seems they just want hunters to be speed bumps. actually, honestly, they probably don't want that... they probably barely even know what they want.

they just don't want to die in a rain of hunter burst.

dying in a rain of lock burst? dying in a rain of lock burst is okay, that is different. dying in a rain of warrior burst? dying in a rain of warrior burst is okay, this is different. dying in a rain of spriest burst? dying in a rain of spriest burst is okay and is different. dying in a rain of ret burst? dying in a rain of ret burst is working as intended. dying to mages in a single deepfreeze? dying in a single deepfreeze is not only okay its the hardest set-up in the game and is probably in need of buffs.

hunters have been and ARE being unfairly singled out. if you were dying to hunters in bgs then that is on you and on the way the game is doing pvp atm... it was not on hunters. the problem was ONLY in arena with a BUG, a BUG, a BUG, a BUG... and the bug was FIXED.

if you don't want hunters to stack cds fine... why do others get to do so?

hunter damage outside of cds is WORSE than the other classes that are SCREAMING that they damage SUCKS outside cds. hunter damage outside cds is really really sad... its ignorable.
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