We have bigger problems than fire nerfs

Fire has never been a consistently good spec.

The pattern 3 expansions running -- including this one now -- is for it to suck at the beginning, get better and better as crit rating goes up...and then at the very end of the expansion cycle blow up and go nuts.

It's a bit like what happens to warrior with rage. (Or used to. Maybe rage has been tamed this time around.) Scaling is NOT smooth.

And, yes, the biggest problem the class has right now is the level 90 talents and more generally speaking lack of polish. The class was dialed in this time around and needs some fundamental changes and fresh thinking. Mage design is aging badly and due for a revamp of the sort that was done to warlocks.

That won't happen until the next expansion. They flatly ignored all the warning signs in Beta. At best, you can expect QoL changes. Nothing more. Then, two years from now, when mages still hate these talents, maybe they will consider doing it all over again and get it right.
Edited by Deerde on 12/5/2012 6:42 AM PST
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GC noted in his interview yesterday that they've seen Frost and Arcane parse data (internally, I presume) shoot way up since the Fire nerf. We don't really have a whole lot of post-patch data in parse aggregators yet (and even when we do, it's not nearly as much data as Blizzard has), but even now we can see those two lines making a massive upward leap.

(Also, yesterday's parses seem still to show Fire on top, even looking at median and mean results for all parses — but that's really only a single good day of data. We should know better by the weekend.)
Edited by Lhivera on 12/5/2012 7:16 AM PST
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12/03/2012 09:11 PMPosted by Toconoco
Play as elemantal shaman, please.


Yeah, it's hard to understand why there hasn't been a buff to your single target yet. It seems so...obvious. (they do need to nerf your wacky AOE :P)
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GC noted in his interview yesterday that they've seen Frost and Arcane parse data (internally, I presume) shoot way up since the Fire nerf. We don't really have a whole lot of post-patch data in parse aggregators yet (and even when we do, it's not nearly as much data as Blizzard has), but even now we can see those two lines making a massive upward leap.

(Also, yesterday's parses seem still to show Fire on top, even looking at median and mean results for all parses — but that's really only a single good day of data. We should know better by the weekend.)


Not really surprising. People seem to forget that it's almost impossible to accurately judge the actual damage potential of the weaker specs on classes with more than one DPS spec. If you even sort of care about progression, you were almost certainly playing Fire. Now good, properly geared people are switching to Frost and Arcane and we'll see what they actually do.
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Fire was pretty crap through 2 or 3 tiers of wotlk.

I heard it was pretty good vs Al'ar though.
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