Tricks of our Trade: Evade the Redonkulous

90 Blood Elf Rogue
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It did have its moments. Like when he charged into a pet shop and ordered a horse. ^_^
90 Orc Death Knight
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lol ok, as far as they go, Thor was pretty good. Plus, Natalie Portman.

Stellan Skarsgård looks wayy different when he isn't covered in shells and starfish.
Edited by Pushßutton on 12/8/2012 8:10 PM PST
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12/08/2012 07:03 PMPosted by Verelyse
I kinda thought the last Star Trek movie was terribly bland and boring, but I usually think that about all Star Trek things. >_> Nothing against the franchise, I just could never take it seriously at all for some reason.

Try DS9. The basic problem with Star Trek is that when it came time to work on The Next Generation (TNG, the one with Patrick Stewart) Gene Roddenberry, the creator of Star Trek had bought into his own propaganda. Roddenberry had always been utopian but when the original series was in production it was tempered by his experiences in WWII so there was some there was an understanding of the realities of war. It wasn't dark and gritty but it was clearly written by someone who understood what it meant to be in combat, a sense that informed some of the really great original series (the one with William Shatner) episodes like Balance of Terror or Errand of Mercy and arguably the best film, Star Trek 6, The Undiscovered Company. However by the time we got around to TNG Roddenberry's utopianism had become much more severe, his edicts for TNG scripts included no conflict between the crew and that humanity had evolved past emotions such as grief.

It goes without saying this created a lot of problems for the writers of TNG, write drama without conflict is a tall order and for that reason it took TNG almost 3 seasons (the first truly good TNG episode is probably Measure of a Man) to get its stride and even then it could still feel really preachy with the "humanity is evolved" or the really screwed up pseudo socialism of the Federation. For many people whose first experience of Star Trek was TNG these impressions of bland and preachy stuck.

Despite this Star Trek was doing very well for Paramount, it had become something of a cultural force so Paramount did what any entertainment company would do. They spun it off into Deep Space Nine. DS9 was envisioned as the story of a frontier town in space with the idea that a static location, a space station, would allow for more continuity driven stories since the crew would have to deal with the consequences of their actions rather then just jetting off at the end of the episode. What DS9 also did was actually examine the Star Trek universe and the Federation in particular with questions about the Federation with respond to war and asking just how perfect the Federation really was (the "Saint in Paradise" speech from The Marquis can be viewed as an indictment of Roddenberry's vision with TNG).

DS9 is worth watching for a few reasons, from a historical perspective DS9 is one of the three shows that really got the ball rolling on continuity driven television both genre and otherwise. Shows like Lost, the BSG reboot and Game of Thrones probably don't exist without the early experimentation done in DS9, Babylon 5 and the X-Files, just from that perspective its very interesting. DS9 is also interesting in terms of where some of the creative minds that made DS9 awesome ended up, most interestingly Ron Moore, the creator of the BSG reboot was one of the main creative minds behind DS9. A lot of the same themes, especially some of the religious ones that dominated seasons 3 and 4 of BSG can be seen, albeit somewhat restrained in DS9. Finally DS9 is worth watching because it is quality television, if I was going to make a list of the best 10 Star Trek episodes DS9 would have at least 5 of the spots and possibly more, episodes like In the Pale Moonlight are the kind of things science fiction was made for.

I could keep going but if anyone has read this far I apologize, I could talk about Star Trek all day if you let me. As a side note, I'm writing a who knows how long post about Star Trek on the WoW forums to take a break from reading a paper about dynamic scheduling techniques in out of order processors. God I'm a nerd.
90 Orc Death Knight
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I did much prefer the original series to TNG (mostly because I grew up with it, so to speak) if only because the characters in TNG were mostly boring. LIke you said, more Utopian, less conflict. It wasn't far off from being assimilated by the Borg, if you ask me.

Ha, look at that. Bor[in]g. Never put that together...

12/08/2012 08:29 PMPosted by Fierydemise
God I'm a nerd.
Well, if talking about Star Trek on the WoW forums isn't nerdy...
I'm doing 3s with bad people.

Amg, biting my tongue so hard right now.
100 Human Rogue
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I loved the original series when I was young, and while I did watch a few episodes of tng when it was in running, I really wasn't a TV person. It wasn't until much later that I grew to love TNG as much as the original cast. Data's story is always a soft spot.

I watched all of Voyager, and it was good fun, but I can't say it really lived up to TNG or TOS. I LOVED Enterprise, and I don't understand why so many hated it. Maybe because I haven't read any star trek. Its always just been a movie and tv experience for me, so seeing the earlier timeline really drew me in. Plus the characters were funny and sexy. :P

I've tried to watch DS9, but I can't watch enough to get into it. I guess it is because I don't feel connected to the characters or the setting. Star trek has always been about exploration to me, and that part of it speaks to me a bit more than just the scifi wizardry.

I must have watched the reboot a dozen times. I love it. It is sexy, dangeous and funny. The characters do a good job of feeling alive. Plus, JJ's love of dirty camera shots is just unique to watch with the light playing on the lens all the time. I've probably watched the trailer twice as much as the movie.

I was a little disappointed a first when I saw the new trailer, but then I realized that one) It would be hard to beat the first trailer, and two) This was just a teaser trailer. I remember the first treaser trailers weren't all that great. Some dudes working in a steel mill from the looks of and then a sly shot of a hull. Not much to it. This one was much better. Still, I can't wait.
90 Pandaren Rogue
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Man, I'm just the worst kind of person in LFR.
I love being the worst kind of person.
Cloaked knows.
90 Blood Elf Rogue
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It just occurred to me that I haven't seen a good horror anime in awhile. There's Hellsing Ultimate, Tasogare Otome x Amnesia, Sankarea, Another, and Zetman, but not much else I can think of recently.

The bombing of London in Hellsing Ultimate was the last thing to really shock me, I guess. Most of the rest of the time horror is just there for some flavor, rather than being a primary focus or truly disturbing.

I've been putting off Another and Marai Nikki, which I think should be good, but I'm not too interested in their stories at the moment. Same with Paranoia Agent. King of Thorn was alright, but still lacked something.

Akira was really good, and I've seen most of Mnemosyne. Gantz I could never really get into for some reason; not sure why. Blood: The Last Vampire was decent, and obviously Elfen Lied and Death Note.

Serial Experiments Lain is the best psychological horror (and just best anime) I've ever seen, and the first Ghost in the Shell movie and Jin-Roh: The Wolf Brigade might both count as horror to a degree.

Going through a list of horror anime though, there's a lot here that's just... not... horror...

Anyway, if anyone has suggestions I'm all ears.

Few I picked out to try:

Aoi Bungaku.
Blue Gender.
Boogiepop Phantom.
Hakaba Kitarou.
Ookami Kakushi.
Petite Cossette.
Strait Jacket.
Edited by Verelyse on 12/9/2012 2:03 PM PST
90 Human Rogue
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derp my herp?
100 Human Rogue
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Just now got [We Had It All Along *cough*].

I had completely given up on that one.
90 Blood Elf Rogue
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Gratz. :)
90 Blood Elf Rogue
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...

So the calendar says the Darkmoon Faire ends today.

But it ended at 2AM this morning.

Not tonight, at midnight... and I haven't turned in all my decks yet...

I'm really... kind of annoyed, right now. >_>
100 Human Rogue
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The made the na region all pst didn't they?

They really should put this information in game.
12/09/2012 02:35 PMPosted by Aeriwen
They really should put this information in game.


They did. Sec I'll go find it..

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/7200062357#1

Was in the patch notes too.
Edited by Relikar on 12/9/2012 2:43 PM PST
90 Undead Rogue
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This thread is just a bunch of nonsense.
100 Human Rogue
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12/09/2012 02:50 PMPosted by Whisper
This thread is just a bunch of nonsense.


Yes, just like most of the forum. :P
90 Undead Rogue
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It just occurred to me that I haven't seen a good horror anime in awhile. There's Hellsing Ultimate, Tasogare Otome x Amnesia, Sankarea, Another, and Zetman, but not much else I can think of recently.

The bombing of London in Hellsing Ultimate was the last thing to really shock me, I guess. Most of the rest of the time horror is just there for some flavor, rather than being a primary focus or truly disturbing.

I've been putting off Another and Marai Nikki, which I think should be good, but I'm not too interested in their stories at the moment. Same with Paranoia Agent. King of Thorn was alright, but still lacked something.

Akira was really good, and I've seen most of Mnemosyne. Gantz I could never really get into for some reason; not sure why. Blood: The Last Vampire was decent, and obviously Elfen Lied and Death Note.

Serial Experiments Lain is the best psychological horror (and just best anime) I've ever seen, and the first Ghost in the Shell movie and Jin-Roh: The Wolf Brigade might both count as horror to a degree.

Going through a list of horror anime though, there's a lot here that's just... not... horror...

Anyway, if anyone has suggestions I'm all ears.

Few I picked out to try:

Aoi Bungaku.
Blue Gender.
Boogiepop Phantom.
Hakaba Kitarou.
Ookami Kakushi.
Petite Cossette.
Strait Jacket.


Old, but Naoki Urasawa's Monster.
90 Blood Elf Rogue
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The one about the brain surgeon in Germany who saves a kid who's parents were murdered by a serial killer? I've seen some of it, that'd be a good one to go back to and finish.

I don't mind older shows if they're good, Serial Experiments Lain was done in 1998.

Strait Jacket was really short, but also pretty good. Especially when they got to the underlying theme.
Edited by Verelyse on 12/9/2012 3:24 PM PST
100 Human Rogue
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Combat pvp is pretty fun. :)
93 Worgen Death Knight
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I need a way to relax my muscles without drugs. Today at work the arches in my feet locked up for no reason.

They haven't unlocked. I have been limping all day.
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