Lor'themar

100 Tauren Shaman
14190
The next patch will almost certainly be the war against the Zandalari and the Thunder King. My guess is there is something the Thunder King has that Garrosh really wants and that he will get his hands on. Do remember we are missing one sha. Perhaps the reason we dont see it around is the Mogu once found a way to contain and weaponise it similar to how the Divine Bell apparently works.

Either way I suspect we will see more of Vol'jin in 5.2. His book is apparently set between this patch and into the next one. Im curious on who the human in the book is supposed to be though.

I am glad they decided to finally make Lor'themar a faction leader the BEs will know and want to follow. He had heaps of potential and its good to see hes starting show it. Im glad they finally remembered he was missing an eye too. Lor'themar is a battle scarred veteran and really the eye patch helps portray that.
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85 Tauren Death Knight
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People keep saying 5.1 "purging of Dalaran" and 5.1 blood elf changes, but I cannot seem to find any of these developments in-game.

Where is all of this going on?
Edited by Darkorn on 11/29/2012 8:56 PM PST
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90 Blood Elf Paladin
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I can definitely see the Zandalari and Mogu being involved. That is unless Vol'jin deals with Zandalari in the novel.

That being said I have a feeling a certain Banshee Queen will be making her Pandaria debut soon enough. Now before anyone starts screaming plot armor hear me out.

Even if the Blood Elves, Tauren, and Trolls are against Garrosh he still has them out numbered. With the exception of the Goblins those three are easily the smallest (numerically) members of the Horde. If they want to bring down Garrosh they have to get Sylvanas on board. Lor'themar will also likely be forwarding details of a Horde plan to overthrow Garrosh to Varian.

I can see it now, a top secret meeting between Varian, Lor'themar, Baine, Sylvanas, and Vol'jin. Then suddenly Garrosh or one of his lackeys bursts in with a hit squad of goons with orders to take them all out. We the players must fend off the hit squad and escort the Faction leaders to safety while all of them are laying down a serious amount of beat down. Likely late game though, possibly a scenario. BLIZZARD! MAKE IT HAPPEN!
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100 Dwarf Paladin
13395
People keep saying 5.1 "purging of Dalaran" and 5.1 blood elf changes, but I cannot seem to find any of these developments in-game.

Where is all of this going on?


You need to get high enough reputation with Operation: Shieldwall/Dominance Offensive for the quests to unlock. Since you can only gain a limited amount of rep per day from dailies, there simply hasn't been enough time for anyone to unlock the Purge of Dalaran quests, which require very high rep to do so.
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90 Orc Warlock
10710
Meh, he went down several pegs for even considerig siding with the Allaince.

As the Allaince used to say about Jaina.

String up the Traitors.

And light a BBQ of Baine
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100 Night Elf Hunter
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11/30/2012 01:11 AMPosted by Falrinn
You need to get high enough reputation with Operation: Shieldwall/Dominance Offensive for the quests to unlock. Since you can only gain a limited amount of rep per day from dailies, there simply hasn't been enough time for anyone to unlock the Purge of Dalaran quests, which require very high rep to do so.


It looks like the Purge of Dalaran is the 4th quest in the chain. I'm hoping to get it this week and kill me some filthy shopkeepers. With their shopkeepin'.
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96 Undead Warlock
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Meh, he went down several pegs for even considerig siding with the Allaince.

As the Allaince used to say about Jaina.

String up the Traitors.

And light a BBQ of Baine


Sheesh, you really don't like diversity unless it's different ways of being evil.
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90 Orc Warlock
10710
Lor'themar, I have my doubts about him. I wasn't really impressed, with waht i saw in the quest chain. The fact he ws even consdering it speak volumes of how little he think of the Horde, in spite of waht they have done for them.

He was looking for way out, trying to cut and run, from the responsibilities he took on when he join the Horde.
I will always give baine crap for his utter lack of empathy for his own people in comparison to his enemies. But at least doesn't think of leaving of Horde for the Allaince.

To me, right now he is nothign coward, trying to fill in for riole he was nevetr born for and replace man he will never be.

I am waiting to be impressed.

11/30/2012 04:39 AMPosted by Ximothy
Sheesh, you really don't like diversity unless it's different ways of being evil.


As a warlock you should know that those are the funniest ways.
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96 Undead Warlock
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11/30/2012 04:55 AMPosted by Chorrol
As a warlock you should know that those are the funniest ways.


Oh, by all means, I love the dark themes of the Forsaken, but the Blood Elves and tauren can be good, I don't need the Horde to be evil to have fun. All people have different playstyles, some like the bad guys, so they go with Forsaken or Warlocks. Some like tribal people with a dark path but a bright future, so they go troll. Some like to be fair whether friends, and they can be Blood elves.

11/30/2012 04:55 AMPosted by Chorrol
But at least doesn't think of leaving of Horde for the Allaince.


Read Tides of War?
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90 Orc Warlock
10710
11/30/2012 05:18 AMPosted by Ximothy
Read Tides of War?


He sacrificed his men to the Allaince but forthwarning Jaina, this is true, but him returning Mangi's Hammer to Jaina was a token to show where he would stand.

And it wasn't with her.

11/30/2012 05:18 AMPosted by Ximothy
Oh, by all means, I love the dark themes of the Forsaken, but the Blood Elves and tauren can be good, I don't need the Horde to be evil to have fun. All people have different playstyles, some like the bad guys, so they go with Forsaken or Warlocks. Some like tribal people with a dark path but a bright future, so they go troll. Some like to be fair whether friends, and they can be Blood elves.


To each his own.

I don't like to be good characters. It just feel to unrealistic in this world.
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100 Tauren Shaman
14190
Meh, he went down several pegs for even considerig siding with the Allaince.

As the Allaince used to say about Jaina.

String up the Traitors.

And light a BBQ of Baine


Technically, us player characters are traitors for going against our Warcheif and being involved in a conspercy against him. As for Lor'themar, give it a bit and see what happens. His decision to look to the Alliance isnt completely without merit since like everyone else not orc, Garrosh treats the BEs like dirt.

Lets face it. The undead and the Goblins are the only two groups who havent actively considered leaving the Horde so far.
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96 Undead Warlock
8200
He sacrificed his men to the Allaince but forthwarning Jaina, this is true, but him returning Mangi's Hammer to Jaina was a token to show where he would stand.

And it wasn't with her.


He outright says to Garrosh's face that if there was another Theramore, the tauren will leave the Horde.
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90 Orc Warlock
10710
11/30/2012 05:57 AMPosted by Trook
Technically, us player characters are traitors for going against our Warcheif


Possible, for the most part anway.

But you can easily RP around that if you wish.

11/30/2012 05:57 AMPosted by Trook
As for Lor'themar, give it a bit and see what happens.


That be the plan.
Just not enthusatic about it.

11/30/2012 05:57 AMPosted by Trook
Garrosh treats the BEs like dirt

That is a bit unfair, Garrosh did give Lor'themar a special place by his side in Tide of War, and showed him more favor when he rebuffed Sylvanas.
Partly, its probely more that his actions in response to Garrosh favor was to correct him and insult him by not attending the battle of Theremore. That Garrosh begun to see them as no better then the Forsaken. And to be used as such.

The point, their was favor, but Lor'themar would not have have it and Garrosh was to petty not react negatively to his rebuff.
Thus he learned why Sylvanas hates Garrosh the hard way.

Also he never like the Trolls, and I predict the moment when he treats the common Tauren like dirt is when the rebellion begins. And no I don't count his spat with Baine, seeing what Garrosh has been doing to others. Has been very polite in comparison.
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90 Human Warrior
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To each his own.

I don't like to be good characters. It just feel to unrealistic in this world.


How is being good unrealistic? I'm sorry but that's just wrong.
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90 Blood Elf Paladin
8330
What no remarks regarding a speculative meeting between the Horde Faction leaders and Varian?
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100 Troll Shaman
5695
11/30/2012 10:45 AMPosted by Randwin
What no remarks regarding a speculative meeting between the Horde Faction leaders and Varian?

Save for Lor'themar's ill-conceived talks to fold the Blood Elves into the Alliance, the various Horde leaders have little reason to start meeting with Varian and the Alliance yet. Despite their mutual distaste, the Alliance is still the enemy at this point.

Now, I suspect the conflict against Garrosh proper will be ratcheted up a notch come 5.2, and we might see some kind of talks starting to take place between the rebelling Horde leaders and the Alliance.

Vol'jin and Lor'themar will likely get talking soon enough, which may yield some interesting results if the Darkspear start working more closely with the Blood Elves than with the Orcs for a change.
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90 Orc Warlock
10710
@Ximothy

To nickpick, he tells thier will never be another if he wishes the aid Baine Bloodhoof.
Imply, but hardly spells leaving the Horde.
He vocal sure, but more like angry husband vocal.

@Lorthuron

Cynical interpretation of same events. With a preference for seeing self serving desires to cause altruistic ends.

Unrealistic, because old gods compound that problem. Such a world where such creatures exist, is a world that will never be good. And in good I mean pure.
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90 Human Warrior
13525
Cynical interpretation of same events. With a preference for seeing self serving desires to cause altruistic ends.


That's just being ignorant


Unrealistic, because old gods compound that problem. Such a world where such creatures exist, is a world that will never be good. And in good I mean pure.


Just because there are *Old Gods* doesn't mean there are no good people. That concept is stupid and likely based on some cynical mind set you have in the real world. Really I want to know what you're smoking.

To nickpick, he tells thier will never be another if he wishes the aid Baine Bloodhoof.
Imply, but hardly spells leaving the Horde.
He vocal sure, but more like angry husband vocal.


Pretty sure Lor is loyal ot the Horde but Garrosh? He doesn't care.
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90 Orc Warlock
10710
Getting personal.

And a bit petty.

Is that good Lorthuron?
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100 Dwarf Paladin
13395
11/30/2012 11:09 AMPosted by Kellick
What no remarks regarding a speculative meeting between the Horde Faction leaders and Varian?

Save for Lor'themar's ill-conceived talks to fold the Blood Elves into the Alliance, the various Horde leaders have little reason to start meeting with Varian and the Alliance yet. Despite their mutual distaste, the Alliance is still the enemy at this point.

Now, I suspect the conflict against Garrosh proper will be ratcheted up a notch come 5.2, and we might see some kind of talks starting to take place between the rebelling Horde leaders and the Alliance.

Vol'jin and Lor'themar will likely get talking soon enough, which may yield some interesting results if the Darkspear start working more closely with the Blood Elves than with the Orcs for a change.


I should also add that the talks between the Sin'dori and the Alliance were likely in their very early stages, probably well before Varian and Lor'themar had anything that could be considered a "meeting".

At any rate, I'd be surprised if there was any formal meetings between the Alliance and Horde rebellion until the 11th hour before the Siege of Orgrimmar itself. It's even possible they won't even officially team up at all, they'll just see each other across the battlefield and decide there is no point in fighting two enemies at the same time to sort out their disagreements later.
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