Prot warrior hp extremely low.

90 Orc Warrior
10800
If you care to look there are many many more examples of this and some go either way. I chose to link this one bc i know both of those players are good.
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11/29/2012 02:11 PMPosted by Malkontent
If you care to look there are many many more examples of this and some go either way. I chose to link this one bc i know both of those players are good.


Are they as good as you?
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90 Orc Warrior
10800
11/29/2012 02:04 PMPosted by Slashlove
Your own stupidity in understanding what passive effects actually mean is what took the thread in that direction.

No, insecure people tend to gravitate towards putting people down with derogatory/unnecessary comments to make themselves feel better and that is what took this thread in that direction but I am willing to put that behind me because i honestly don't care about other peoples low self esteem or their opinion of me.
Edited by Malkontent on 11/29/2012 2:18 PM PST
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90 Night Elf Druid
17755
Prot warrior
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-ede93i9d7on7h68g/details/8/
brewmaster monk
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-ede93i9d7on7h68g/details/1/
Both have spikes of about the same damage except the warrior has much more. Which could possibly be that he was just the first to tank the boss


[19:11:09.934] Blade Lord Ta'yak Overwhelming Assault Mango 216782 (A: 12157)
[19:11:35.230] Blade Lord Ta'yak Overwhelming Assault Fistface 220359 (A: 120734)
[19:12:10.249] Blade Lord Ta'yak Overwhelming Assault Mango 217493 (A: 2514)
[19:12:36.767] Blade Lord Ta'yak Overwhelming Assault Fistface 46516 (A: 202792)
[19:13:08.171] Blade Lord Ta'yak Overwhelming Assault Mango 174024
[19:13:38.314] Blade Lord Ta'yak Overwhelming Assault Fistface 90253 (A: 154123)
[19:14:10.920] Blade Lord Ta'yak Overwhelming Assault Mango 204543
[19:14:39.830] Blade Lord Ta'yak Overwhelming Assault Fistface 75738 (A: 216347)
[19:15:11.171] Blade Lord Ta'yak Overwhelming Assault Mango 185399 (A: 26608)
[19:15:38.960] Blade Lord Ta'yak Overwhelming Assault Mango 264811 (A: 14058)

:12:06.938] Blade Lord Ta'yak hits Mango 43981 (B: 65973)
[19:12:08.835] Blade Lord Ta'yak hits Mango 62700 (A: 2514, B: 97822)
[19:12:10.249] Blade Lord Ta'yak Overwhelming Assault Mango 217493 (A: 2514)
[19:12:12.120] Blade Lord Ta'yak hits Mango 107421 (B: 46038)
[19:12:14.029] Blade Lord Ta'yak hits Mango Absorb (106096)

[19:12:34.330] Blade Lord Ta'yak hits Fistface Dodge
[19:12:36.254] Blade Lord Ta'yak hits Mango 143422 (A: 5029)
[19:12:36.767] Blade Lord Ta'yak Overwhelming Assault Fistface 46516 (A: 202792)
[19:12:38.651] Blade Lord Ta'yak hits Fistface 85754 (A: 90144)
[19:12:40.560] Blade Lord Ta'yak hits Fistface Dodge

PS, when you link a Full Report, you also include the Trash pull that ALSO does Overwhelming Assault.
Edited by Slashlove on 11/29/2012 2:20 PM PST
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90 Orc Warrior
10800
11/29/2012 02:13 PMPosted by Mneme
Are they as good as you?

they are way more progressed then your pally mnemoniq from iconoclast
Edited by Malkontent on 11/29/2012 2:33 PM PST
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100 Human Paladin
14015
11/29/2012 02:10 PMPosted by Malkontent
i will link incoming damage from a heroic blade lord kill from my server both tanks if you look the spike damage is very very similar in similar gear.


For the Ta'yak kill:

Average melee swing on the warrior: 118k
Average melee swing on the monk: 216k

Average Overwhelming Assault on the warrior: 219k
Average Overwhelming Assault on the monk: 281k

In what world does that constitute "similar" spike damage? The monk is taking more than 50% more spike damage if you're looking at melee -> OA -> melee as the worst case scenario. The warrior is a much better candidate for soaking Overwhelming Assaults by that log.

Of course, the warrior also uses two Shield Barriers and takes six Overwhelming Assaults. This leads me to believe that, like Slashlove is saying, Overwhelming Assault just isn't that hard to deal with for any class, even on heroic, and it's probably not worth worrying about too much. The warrior isn't even timing Shield Barriers to coincide with it.
Edited by Branar on 11/29/2012 2:32 PM PST
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94 Pandaren Warrior
16150
Wow, this thread....

I'm lost as to whether this thread is about will or blade lord, and what either has to do with stam.

Malk, would it help you, since I post from my warrior, to tell you that all the "paladins and druids trying to keep us down" are right?
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90 Human Warrior
13190
11/29/2012 02:27 PMPosted by Branar
Overwhelming Assault just isn't that hard to deal with for any class, even on heroic, and it's probably not worth worrying about too much


This. Especially more on heroic, because your tanks will never get a 2-stack of Overwhelming assault.

This thread is a little silly. Speaking from my experiences tanking numerous heroics, Warriors are fine.
Edited by Sair on 11/29/2012 2:42 PM PST
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90 Orc Warrior
10800
For the Ta'yak kill:

Average melee swing on the warrior: 118k
Average melee swing on the monk: 216k

Average Overwhelming Assault on the warrior: 219k
Average Overwhelming Assault on the monk: 281k

In what world does that constitute "similar" spike damage? The monk is taking more than 50% more spike damage if you're looking at melee -> OA -> melee as the worst case scenario. The warrior is a much better candidate for soaking Overwhelming Assaults by that log.

Of course, the warrior also uses two Shield Barriers and takes six Overwhelming Assaults. This leads me to believe that, like Slashlove is saying, Overwhelming Assault just isn't that hard to deal with for any class, even on heroic, and it's probably not worth worrying about too much. The warrior isn't even timing Shield Barriers to coincide with it.

where did you get that info from

[19:11:09.934] Blade Lord Ta'yak Overwhelming Assault Mango 216782 (A: 12157)
[19:11:35.230] Blade Lord Ta'yak Overwhelming Assault Fistface 220359 (A: 120734)
[19:12:10.249] Blade Lord Ta'yak Overwhelming Assault Mango 217493 (A: 2514)
[19:12:36.767] Blade Lord Ta'yak Overwhelming Assault Fistface 46516 (A: 202792)
[19:13:08.171] Blade Lord Ta'yak Overwhelming Assault Mango 174024
[19:13:38.314] Blade Lord Ta'yak Overwhelming Assault Fistface 90253 (A: 154123)
[19:14:10.920] Blade Lord Ta'yak Overwhelming Assault Mango 204543
[19:14:39.830] Blade Lord Ta'yak Overwhelming Assault Fistface 75738 (A: 216347)
[19:15:11.171] Blade Lord Ta'yak Overwhelming Assault Mango 185399 (A: 26608)
[19:15:38.960] Blade Lord Ta'yak Overwhelming Assault Mango 264811 (A: 14058)

:12:06.938] Blade Lord Ta'yak hits Mango 43981 (B: 65973)
[19:12:08.835] Blade Lord Ta'yak hits Mango 62700 (A: 2514, B: 97822)
[19:12:10.249] Blade Lord Ta'yak Overwhelming Assault Mango 217493 (A: 2514)
[19:12:12.120] Blade Lord Ta'yak hits Mango 107421 (B: 46038)
[19:12:14.029] Blade Lord Ta'yak hits Mango Absorb (106096)

[19:12:34.330] Blade Lord Ta'yak hits Fistface Dodge
[19:12:36.254] Blade Lord Ta'yak hits Mango 143422 (A: 5029)
[19:12:36.767] Blade Lord Ta'yak Overwhelming Assault Fistface 46516 (A: 202792)
[19:12:38.651] Blade Lord Ta'yak hits Fistface 85754 (A: 90144)
[19:12:40.560] Blade Lord Ta'yak hits Fistface Dodge

he linked it for me how does any of that average 281k when he didnt even take a 281k hit
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90 Orc Warrior
10800
Wow, this thread....

I'm lost as to whether this thread is about will or blade lord, and what either has to do with stam.

Malk, would it help you, since I post from my warrior, to tell you that all the "paladins and druids trying to keep us down" are right?

No, this thread is about warrior hp being so low is unjustified. The boss stuff is about people saying warriors take less damage then other tanks so they should have less hp and iam just not seeing it. Would you rather talk about a different boss we can look at those too. Never once did i say prot warriors arent viable because they obviously are, but why do our health pools get penalized.
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94 Pandaren Warrior
16150
Our health pool is completely irrelevant until a boss has an ability that hits for an unmitigatable 600k more than once every 2 mins.
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90 Night Elf Druid
17755
he linked it for me how does any of that average 281k when he didnt even take a 281k hit


Several of those add up to well over 281k. Hint: Damage taken does not reduce from absorbs because absorbs are already folded into Healing Taken.

You can see this info very clearly when you just go to the actual Kill and you see "damage taken", "overwhelming assault", "average", and get 281715.5
Edited by Slashlove on 11/29/2012 2:52 PM PST
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90 Human Warrior
13190
Wow, this thread....

I'm lost as to whether this thread is about will or blade lord, and what either has to do with stam.

Malk, would it help you, since I post from my warrior, to tell you that all the "paladins and druids trying to keep us down" are right?

No, this thread is about warrior hp being so low is unjustified. The boss stuff is about people saying warriors take less damage then other tanks so they should have less hp and iam just not seeing it. Would you rather talk about a different boss we can look at those too. Never once did i say prot warriors arent viable because they obviously are, but why do our health pools get penalized.


Raid buffed with Ancestral Vigor I'm over 700k. I feel like Warrior HP is not that much of a detriment that you make it out to be. If you're so concerned with your stamina levels I'd question your gemming choices.
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90 Orc Warrior
10800
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-ede93i9d7on7h68g/sum/damageTaken/?s=12131&e=12544
iam guessing what your looking at is before absorbs and damage reductions
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90 Orc Warrior
10800
11/29/2012 02:51 PMPosted by Ðemolition
Our health pool is completely irrelevant until a boss has an ability that hits for an unmitigatable 600k more than once every 2 mins.

ok then whats the point of having 1 tank have less then every other tank.
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90 Human Warrior
9470
Im in mostly crafted gear and im at 380k unbuffed no heroic armor no epics sooo i dont know what your talking about that our hp is low!!!
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94 Pandaren Warrior
16150
11/29/2012 02:57 PMPosted by Malkontent
Our health pool is completely irrelevant until a boss has an ability that hits for an unmitigatable 600k more than once every 2 mins.

ok then whats the point of having 1 tank have less then every other tank.


Because of the way their classes are designed.
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90 Orc Warrior
10800
11/29/2012 02:52 PMPosted by Sair
Raid buffed with Ancestral Vigor I'm over 700k. I feel like Warrior HP is not that much of a detriment that you make it out to be. If you're so concerned with your stamina levels I'd question your gemming choices.

Like i said iam sure warriors are very viable but whats the point their being 1 tank with less hp then every other tank. Just because we 50k hp isnt going to make or break us doesnt mean we shouldnt be on par with other tanks.
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90 Orc Warrior
10800
11/29/2012 02:59 PMPosted by Ðemolition
Because of the way their classes are designed.

http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-ede93i9d7on7h68g/sum/damageTaken/?s=12131&e=12544
looks like incoming damage is pretty even to me the warrior even had more spikey damage at the end (probably his fault) and this is not an isolated incident look at other parses from other bosses there is no reason to give up hp. Ya we might have more passive damage reduction but other classes get better active damage reducers and more hp.
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90 Human Warrior
9470
How are we not on par with other tanks? I mean if you gem like him and have similar gear to him then you should be at his hp, but going in circles will only land you in the wall soon!!
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