Sylvanas Queen of the Horde

90 Night Elf Rogue
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I got a idea for the next expansion:
"Rise of the Forsaken". Lady Sylvanas will become leader of the horde and places Crok Scourgebane as the warchief of the orcs, brings the grimtotem back into the horde, making Magatha chieftess of the tauren and kills gallywix and makes boss mida trade princess. She gives Crok Orgim's plate and Garrosh's Axe (gorehowl). The new alliance race will be high elves (becuse why not?) and the new horde race will be forsaken darkfallen. I will update the idea with the racials and stuff later on.
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So the Horde are going to go even more evil than they already are? Is that the plan?
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100 Pandaren Priest
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Eh, Not all that great to me.
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90 Night Elf Druid
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If Thrall is the one to make the call, I'd believe that.
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96 Undead Death Knight
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Why would Sylvanas put Magatha in charge of the Tauren? She and the rest of the Forsaken are indebted to the Tauren for helping them to gain access to the Horde. Putting an enemy of the Tauren in charge of their race is not only a complete betrayal to their loyalty to them but it's also completely out of character for any Forsaken to do so. The Tauren's enemies are the Forsaken's enemies as well, and no amount of ideas from an alliance fan would really change that.
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90 Worgen Rogue
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lITBGjNEp08
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To be blunt, I'm going to go with no on this one.

In MoP the Horde story arc should be about rediscovering the true meaning of honor and beating back their (metaphorical) demons. They have spent long enough in darkness, it's time for them to step into the light again.

Plus, not one but two new playable elven races? We have enough Elves as is, we do not need two more.
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90 Undead Hunter
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I agree with everything exccept the tauren idea
Edited by Snocterris on 12/2/2012 5:47 PM PST
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90 Draenei Hunter
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Isn't that sort of like putting a lion in charge of a gazelle herd?
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96 Undead Death Knight
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12/02/2012 05:24 PMPosted by Snocterris
I agree with this accept the tauren idea


12/02/2012 04:52 PMPosted by Vynathlon
Why would Sylvanas put Magatha in charge of the Tauren? She and the rest of the Forsaken are indebted to the Tauren for helping them to gain access to the Horde. Putting an enemy of the Tauren in charge of their race is not only a complete betrayal to their loyalty to them but it's also completely out of character for any Forsaken to do so. The Tauren's enemies are the Forsaken's enemies as well, and no amount of ideas from an alliance fan would really change that.
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90 Night Elf Hunter
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Every other leader in the Horde would have to be dead and the Forsaken would have to be threatening the races too before they'd accept Sylvanas as the leader of the Horde. She would lead the Horde into utter ruin. Worse than Garrosh is doing now. He at least wants to glorify himself and supposedly help out the orcs. Sylvanas doesn't give a damn about -anyone- else and would use the Horde to protect her rotting butt.
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12/02/2012 05:54 PMPosted by Kynrind
Every other leader in the Horde would have to be dead and the Forsaken would have to be threatening the races too before they'd accept Sylvanas as the leader of the Horde. She would lead the Horde into utter ruin. Worse than Garrosh is doing now. He at least wants to glorify himself and supposedly help out the orcs. Sylvanas doesn't give a damn about -anyone- else and would use the Horde to protect her rotting butt.
Sources?
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85 Tauren Shaman
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12/02/2012 06:53 PMPosted by Vynathlon
Sources?


Her short story where she says she's done with the forsaken up until she finds out she's going to wowhell?

I mean she literally didn't care that they'd be wiped out if she died despite the fact that they idolize her and flat out -needed- her.

They're a shield, one she intends to keep in working condition, but if she could sell everyone else out to save herself she'd do it.

EDIT:

Vyn, Magatha had a forsaken ambassador in dustwallow... why are you acting like they and the grimtotem are strangers?
Edited by Skytotem on 12/2/2012 6:57 PM PST
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96 Undead Death Knight
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Her short story where she says she's done with the forsaken up until she finds out she's going to wowhell?

I mean she literally didn't care that they'd be wiped out if she died despite the fact that they idolize her and flat out -needed- her.

They're a shield, one she intends to keep in working condition, but if she could sell everyone else out to save herself she'd do it.
So that somehow leads her to getting the entire Horde to be wiped out? Just because she may not care about her people doesn't mean she won't keep them alive. In order to keep living she would need to lead the Horde to the best of her ability, and destroying the Alliance and living through the Horde's ideals would ultimately support her goal of staying alive longer than if she were to lead it into ruin. Sylvanas is intelligent, she likely would see that as well. Only way I see her dying off or the Horde dying off is if Blizzard decides to have her killed off, much like what they're doing with Garrosh's death as well.
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85 Tauren Shaman
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Ah yes, because every dictator that cares nothing for their people and lives in absolute power has done the best for their people... no way personal interests conflict with the interests of the people.

Ever.

*glances at North Korea and the like*

Hmn...
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90 Orc Warlock
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12/02/2012 04:52 PMPosted by Vynathlon
Why would Sylvanas put Magatha in charge of the Tauren? She and the rest of the Forsaken are indebted to the Tauren for helping them to gain access to the Horde. Putting an enemy of the Tauren in charge of their race is not only a complete betrayal to their loyalty to them but it's also completely out of character for any Forsaken to do so. The Tauren's enemies are the Forsaken's enemies as well, and no amount of ideas from an alliance fan would really change that.


Because Sylvanas has never turned on a supposed ally.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
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Ah yes, because every dictator that cares nothing for their people and lives in absolute power has done the best for their people... no way personal interests conflict with the interests of the people.

Ever.

*glances at North Korea and the like*

Hmn...
How did this discussion suddenly transform into the interests of the people? I thought you were asking about the sustainability of the Horde and whether or not it would survive. If you had to avert the conversation to not being able to live that way might I suggest Garrosh's ruling? What with his sending of troops to kill people that disagree with him. I think Sylvanas over all would be a better choice than Garrosh would be.
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90 Human Warrior
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Ah yes, because every dictator that cares nothing for their people and lives in absolute power has done the best for their people... no way personal interests conflict with the interests of the people.

Ever.

*glances at North Korea and the like*

Hmn...
How did this discussion suddenly transform into the interests of the people? I thought you were asking about the sustainability of the Horde and whether or not it would survive. If you had to avert the conversation to not being able to live that way might I suggest Garrosh's ruling? What with his sending of troops to kill people that disagree with him. I think Sylvanas over all would be a better choice than Garrosh would be.


Lol No...

Sylvanas would plague everything in sight. Sylvanas is just as bad if not worse then Garrosh atm.
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85 Tauren Shaman
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How did this discussion suddenly transform into the interests of the people?
I thought you were asking about the sustainability of the Horde and whether or not it would survive.
If you had to avert the conversation to not being able to live that way might I suggest Garrosh's ruling?
What with his sending of troops to kill people that disagree with him.

I think Sylvanas over all would be a better choice than Garrosh would be.


1. That's essentially what the survival of the Horde is based on. There's not much point in the Horde persisting if everyone's dead dying miserable, etc...

2. The two are intertwined.

3. He's only marginally better in that the orcs don't live terribly under his rule, everyone else is discriminated against and getting murdered by his police state.

4. Because Sylvanas totally has moral qualms that would stop her from doing this...

5. I can't really see what evidence you would base that on.

More subtle?
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96 Undead Death Knight
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14175
How did this discussion suddenly transform into the interests of the people? I thought you were asking about the sustainability of the Horde and whether or not it would survive. If you had to avert the conversation to not being able to live that way might I suggest Garrosh's ruling? What with his sending of troops to kill people that disagree with him. I think Sylvanas over all would be a better choice than Garrosh would be.


Lol No...

Sylvanas would plague everything in sight. Sylvanas is just as bad if not worse then Garrosh atm.
How did you manage to go from evil dictator to plaguing everything in sight? I mean really plaguing the lands just makes them uninhabitable for the Horde and makes the Horde unable to obtain resources and soldiers, two things needed for the destruction of the Alliance. Until the Alliance is destroyed the Horde are pretty much safe from harm and that Sylvanas has an obligation to ensure that the Horde prospers so that its military prospers as well.
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