Ret = Competative?? ROFL

90 Pandaren Warrior
13685
My 2's partner was a Ret Paladin. Day after the patch we dropped from 1750 to 1400. We then reworked our strat a little and got back up to 1500'ish with a pure dps zerg strat. But there's no viability at all... I can live forever but they just train my Ret partner and they're dead after bubble and sooner if it's vs a shadow priest. The PVP power nerf hit them way harder than it hit any other class and this is ironic because they were never considered to be overpowered to begin with!

I don't think there's any question that Rets are broken.. the only problem is that blizzard doesn't care.
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90 Human Paladin
5785
Vangaurds has given up on ret since the healing nerf. And he's the only ret who has went past 2.2k this season that comes around here.

Go to the warrior forum, throw a rock. It will hit 15 glads.
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90 Pandaren Warrior
13685
12/05/2012 01:12 PMPosted by Invented
Vangaurds is over 2k rating as ret even 2.3 in 3s so idk........


His 2's team also dropped about 600 points and he plays his shaman more now. Look at this week's 2v2 scores for his team: This Week 24 plays, 13 – 11 record (54%) 1891 rating. Your best ret pally can't even break 2k any more. That is one extreme nerf bat.
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90 Human Paladin
5785
12/05/2012 01:46 PMPosted by Cinarawr
nerf bat.


Balance*
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90 Pandaren Warrior
13685
12/05/2012 01:56 PMPosted by Invincible
nerf bat.


Balance*


Unbalance*
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90 Tauren Paladin
10840
12/05/2012 01:46 PMPosted by Cinarawr
Vangaurds is over 2k rating as ret even 2.3 in 3s so idk........


His 2's team also dropped about 600 points and he plays his shaman more now. Look at this week's 2v2 scores for his team: This Week 24 plays, 13 – 11 record (54%) 1891 rating. Your best ret pally can't even break 2k any more. That is one extreme nerf bat.


Ok I guess I can be depressed now :P
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90 Human Paladin
10430
Not sure how accurate this is, but I thought the information to be relivant
http://www.worldofwargraphs.com/stats-classesrepartition-0-0-0---0-0-0.html

Updated on : 05 Dec 2012 - Players with 2200 rating or higher - 24,281,663 players in the database
Class / Spec % (2200+) % (Global)
Arms Warrior 14.1% 3.8%
Frost Mage 10.1% 3.5%
Restoration Shaman 10.1% 3.6%
Holy Paladin 9.6% 3.4%
Restoration Druid 6.7% 5.8%
Shadow Priest 6.1% 4.7%
Beast Mastery Hunter 5.3% 5.1%
Retribution Paladin 3.9% 5.7%
Feral Combat Druid 3.2% 2.7%
Frost Death Knight 3.1% 4.7%
Protection Warrior 3.1% 3.4%
Demonology Warlock 2.8% 2.1%
Discipline Priest 2.6% 2.7%
Destruction Warlock 2.5% 2.4%
Balance Druid 2.4% 2.9%
Marskmanship Hunter 2.4% 2.7%
Elemental Shaman 1.7% 3.4%
Unholy Death Knight 1.5% 1.3%
Affliction Warlock 1.4% 2.4%
Enhancement Shaman 1.3% 1.6%
Subtlety Rogue 1.1% 1.5%
Fury Warrior 0.9% 3.1%
Blood Death Knight 0.8% 4.4%
Fire Mage 0.7% 3.6%
Survival Hunter 0.5% 3.1%
Holy Priest 0.5% 2.3%
Protection Paladin 0.4% 3.3%
Windwalker Monk 0.3% 2.2%
Mistweaver Monk 0.3% 1.3%
Assassination Rogue 0.3% 2%
Arcane Mage 0.3% 2.2%
Combat Rogue 0.2% 2%
Brewmaster Monk 0% 1.2%
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90 Blood Elf Paladin
9300
That is A LOT of warriors
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90 Pandaren Warrior
13685
Not sure how accurate this is, but I thought the information to be relivant
http://www.worldofwargraphs.com/stats-classesrepartition-0-0-0---0-0-0.html


Only reason it's not relevant is that it doesn't show who played in the last week. I'm sure a lot of people sit inactive at their 2200 rating so they have access to weapons. So you won't see the drop off on nerfed classes in that list until next season.
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90 Human Paladin
10430
I was surprised to see the 0.4% prot paladin pop. If that's not a parsing error, I salute you good sirs.
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90 Blood Elf Paladin
2530
I haven't played high MMR 2's (only around 1500) or any 3's yet this season so I'm no pro. All I can do is speak on my exp playing as Ret.

We definitely have issues with dmg outside of CD's, but in 2's, most of the matches don't go passed 45 seconds anyway. Our burst is pretty good in my experience. I can still crit 80-100k with spammable wogs, even with bubble up my HoW still crits for 50k and my hammer of light crits for 30k with 30k heals for us both on the return. After I'm done healing myself 20-80% or my partner from 20-100% through my bubble I still have an AoE blind and FoJ off CD to use on the last 12 seconds or so of my burst for damage. It also helps that I stacked Res instead of PvP Power, since I'm usually the kill target. Even then, I can still pull off 100k crits.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure we can still cap conquest as Ret >_>

Also, War and Ret 2's is fun as hell.
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90 Blood Elf Paladin
2530
12/05/2012 09:13 PMPosted by Alduin
MartyMcfly and Lobster will tell you otherwise, they're really really Pro players, around 2000 rated (hang on Marty just tanked to 1990 and team disband), Ret is fine clearly, they don't get carried by superior FoM classes they hang with, Ret is fine guys fine. Stop complaining we're fine like GC says, most rets are 2400+ rated like any scrub that picks up a mage and facerolls or an arms warrior, fine I tell you!


A small dmg buff to some abilities, small buff to our heals and it'll be ok. I still have FUN playing my Ret, mind you its at lower ratings but I certainly do not get carried when playing, focused or not. But then again, its only about 1500 MMR.
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90 Blood Elf Paladin
2175
Thank god there is other individuals that share my same opinion in this matter.

I appreciate all those who have commented in a constructive manner, especially those with statistics.

I am really just trying to communicate that Retis basically a gimped spec and i recall a long time ago that "A SPEC DEFINES A ROLE, NOT THE CLASS"

If anyone can confim if this is still the stance of Blizzard it would be helpful to my mental wellness, because i have been led on that now is the time of balance and no longer "hybrid gimpage"

Although it is obvious that many persons of the dev team, due to human arror and bias, have deemed certain classes to be more powerful for various reasons (or know as utility)

I refuse the mindstate that "Paladins bring utility, therefore they will be a jack of all trade and can not be anything more then a healer" THIS STIGMA FOR PALLYS HAS NEVER DIED SINCE THE BEGINNING OF WOW, it has to stop, its the same thing over and over again.

Thanks all who are compitent and willing to contibute their opinions and experiance. It is apprecaited.
Edited by Leonidus on 12/5/2012 10:34 PM PST
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90 Dwarf Paladin
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12/04/2012 08:23 PMPosted by Leonidus
So I would just like to again start a reasonable discussion in terms of PvP for Ret Pallies.


12/04/2012 08:23 PMPosted by Leonidus
reasonable discussion


Ret = Competative?? ROFL


Aim for the stars, friend.
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90 Blood Elf Paladin
5590
Not sure how accurate this is, but I thought the information to be relivant
http://www.worldofwargraphs.com/stats-classesrepartition-0-0-0---0-0-0.html

Updated on : 05 Dec 2012 - Players with 2200 rating or higher - 24,281,663 players in the database
Class / Spec % (2200+) % (Global)
Arms Warrior 14.1% 3.8%
Frost Mage 10.1% 3.5%
Restoration Shaman 10.1% 3.6%
Holy Paladin 9.6% 3.4%
Restoration Druid 6.7% 5.8%
Shadow Priest 6.1% 4.7%
Beast Mastery Hunter 5.3% 5.1%
Retribution Paladin 3.9% 5.7%
Feral Combat Druid 3.2% 2.7%
Frost Death Knight 3.1% 4.7%
Protection Warrior 3.1% 3.4%
Demonology Warlock 2.8% 2.1%
Discipline Priest 2.6% 2.7%
Destruction Warlock 2.5% 2.4%
Balance Druid 2.4% 2.9%
Marskmanship Hunter 2.4% 2.7%
Elemental Shaman 1.7% 3.4%
Unholy Death Knight 1.5% 1.3%
Affliction Warlock 1.4% 2.4%
Enhancement Shaman 1.3% 1.6%
Subtlety Rogue 1.1% 1.5%
Fury Warrior 0.9% 3.1%
Blood Death Knight 0.8% 4.4%
Fire Mage 0.7% 3.6%
Survival Hunter 0.5% 3.1%
Holy Priest 0.5% 2.3%
Protection Paladin 0.4% 3.3%
Windwalker Monk 0.3% 2.2%
Mistweaver Monk 0.3% 1.3%
Assassination Rogue 0.3% 2%
Arcane Mage 0.3% 2.2%
Combat Rogue 0.2% 2%
Brewmaster Monk 0% 1.2%

Yarko, many of those rets that are 2.2k plus would have reached that ranking pre nerf, same as the BM hunters.. Those stats arnt a reflecting of how ret is performing atm because alot of those players would be ladder camping especially for their T2 weap.

* that's weird, didn't come up as a quote.. Bloody iphones
Edited by Daemonic on 12/5/2012 10:40 PM PST
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90 Human Paladin
5675
12/05/2012 01:12 PMPosted by Invented
Vangaurds is over 2k rating as ret even 2.3 in 3s so idk........


I think hes retired his pally for the time been because of the state rets in atm.

In high level arena ( not that i have experience but I can only assume ) ret has nothing to bring that a holy pally or another class can.

Ret is a burden on a team due to our crappy survival, lack of abilities, and very weak damage without bursty CDs.
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90 Blood Elf Paladin
2175
Vangaurds is over 2k rating as ret even 2.3 in 3s so idk........


I think hes retired his pally for the time been because of the state rets in atm.

In high level arena ( not that i have experience but I can only assume ) ret has nothing to bring that a holy pally or another class can.

Ret is a burden on a team due to our crappy survival, lack of abilities, and very weak damage without bursty CDs.


Well put, i could not have summed it up much better then that.

I feel that Avenging Wrath plays a way to large of role in terms of balancing ret damage. Although, i can not determine how balaning our damage is decided, because it is way off
Edited by Leonidus on 12/5/2012 11:11 PM PST
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90 Blood Elf Paladin
2175
12/05/2012 10:35 PMPosted by Battlemaiden
So I would just like to again start a reasonable discussion in terms of PvP for Ret Pallies.


reasonable discussion


Ret = Competative?? ROFL


Aim for the stars, friend.


It is my opinion, i feel that the title is appropiate as well as attention grabbing. Please leave if you refuse to contribute your experainces or concerns with the current ret mechanics.

It is obvious Ret needs attention, i request your 2 cents on this matter. I vaule your perspective and experiance.

I just have found myself banging my head on my desk when i play PvP as Ret, and i can not find myself having to play PERFECTLY EVERY AREANA to win, when other classes do not have to be as perfect in cordination.

To consider that this is how the classes will remain balanced is a horrid stance and to say "Learn to Play" is something that i have consistantly found on the fourms and i am saying it is simply NOT THE CASE.

All i am asking for is equity in terms of classes, thats it.

Thank you
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90 Human Paladin
10430
(*Comments below reflected vs pre nerf. Hard to judge post nerf*)

If what I posted is anywhere near accurate, I'd say it's possible that it's not that Retribution needs attention in pvp, it's ....

Arms Warrior 14.1% 3.8%
Frost Mage 10.1% 3.5%
Restoration Shaman 10.1% 3.6%
Holy Paladin 9.6% 3.4%


that are the issue. These 4 class specs have taken up almost 44% of the entire Upper tier of PvP.

That means the rest (29 possible specs) are sharing what remains. By those statistics, you can basically gleem "You want to PvP melee? Go warrior" "You want to PvP Ranged? Go Mage" "You want to Heal? Well either roll Shaman or Pally"
Edited by Yarko on 12/6/2012 6:05 AM PST
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