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Only healer I've ever gone oom on. I no longer have throughput to handle big pulls.

This is crazy, jab cost way to much mana low levels, without the statue it's crazy.

Soothing is now making me go oom when using chi abilities. How are we suppose to handle the crazy chain pulling that every other healing class can do without going oom?

Welcome to unintended side effects.

I'd recommend just using melee autoattacks for the most part, if your tank is decent it should be workable. Bring drinks and be prepared to holler for the tank to stop when you need to drink, if they run on and get splattered it's not your fault.

On my low level monk if the tank is pulling fast I don't bother trying to do the melee healing. For the most part I end up using mostly Soothing Mist, Renewing Mist and Chi Burst. Soothing does a pretty good job of keeping the tank topped off, so I sit on 4 Chi until there's a big drop in HP and fire off a Chi Burst or Enveloping if it was a huge hit. Then keep Renewing rolling on the party to heal them.

It gets better at 56 when you get Mana Tea. Don't forget to get the glyph and don't be shy about using Mana Tea whenever you have 2 stacks and 92% or lower mana. One you have Mana Tea you'll also want to keep using Chi as much as possible.

Without mana tea it really is impossible. I had to go switch to tank, our tank dps, and our dps healer to accommodate these changes.

When we get a healing monk, in lfd...we ask them to dps and the shadow priest goes heals because their throughput is so low, and they go oom....and can't handle chain pulling at this level. Jab really needs it's mana reduced pre 80.

Unfortunately Blizzard will never balance around lower level play. I'd expect the same treatment as low level pvp players who get oneshotted by a dpriest's penance. No fixes in sight, but it does get better once you level cap.

Yep Healing pre Raid is terrible. I have stopped healing and just lvl as brewmaster because I go OOM so fast, Tea is no good either, you just can't build chi fast enough as a lowbie. I have tired, but I still go OOM so fast I just stopped. Jab and SCK are just to much mana, and they are the main tools set for a Lowbie.

Soothing mist costs less mana than it did pre 5.1.

12/06/2012 02:50 PMPosted by Cylia

Soothing mist costs less mana than it did pre 5.1.

So what? I can and have run OOM channeling SM + Uplift. Can not generate chi fast enough for Mana Tea to make up for your mana cost. Were not Heroic geared here, you should know better than that. If Heroic geared people are running out of Mana how do you suppose we are going to do any better?

Soothing is now making me go oom when using chi abilities. How are we suppose to handle the crazy chain pulling that every other healing class can do without going oom?

My MW is 50ish and I had it to 45ish before 5.1. I have no BoA gear (currently no trinkets either :P). I am not twinked out in any way.

Soothing had a mana reduction, not increase so you should be better off there than before the patch so I think that's just in your mind. I don't use any melee at all except for SCK for pulls where it can heal for enough. I find that eminence healing costs way too much mana compared to other heals and the damage trade-off isn't worth it, especially if you are in melee range getting damaged by AoE at the same time. Even before the patch eminence healing wasn't enough to keep a tank up until the 30-something talent that made it so BOKing would make your auto-attacks heal also.

I just soothing on the tank and use enveloping when I have the chi for it. I also try to use chi wave on cooldown if I can and the tanks health bar can take it. I also keep renewing mists on cooldown just for chi generation and smart non-tank healing. I fill with surging if I need to though that's rare.

Life Cocoon is great at low levels so make sure to abuse the absorb on it (the increase to HoT's doesn't really do much at low levels because the absorb is on the whole time). I believe it was just buffed too so use it for the big pulls. I don't sit at 100% mana like I did before the patch and I have to drink on occasion after big pulls but its not too bad, at least at my level.

Without mana tea it really is impossible. I had to go switch to tank, our tank dps, and our dps healer to accommodate these changes.

When we get a healing monk, in lfd...we ask them to dps and the shadow priest goes heals because their throughput is so low, and they go oom....and can't handle chain pulling at this level. Jab really needs it's mana reduced pre 80.

Its really not impossible without mana tea. I'm doing just fine. Its not like before the patch but it felt pretty overpowered before the patch. I don't disagree the low levels could use some adjusting but its not impossible. I've never gotten so many compliments healing as I have on my MW so I don't think I'm doing too badly. I think its just a really different way of healing that needs to be approached differently.

Soothing mist costs less mana than it did pre 5.1.

So what? I can and have run OOM channeling SM + Uplift. Can not generate chi fast enough for Mana Tea to make up for your mana cost. Were not Heroic geared here, you should know better than that. If Heroic geared people are running out of Mana how do you suppose we are going to do any better?

So you're not just using SM+uplift. You're using other abilities. There's a problem with what you say in that your information is incorrect so it's impossible to judge what you could do to improve mana efficiency.

Uplift cannot be used without ReM.

Also you have regen from spirit. Chi is not the only source of mana.

12/06/2012 03:58 PMPosted by Cylia

So you're not just using SM+uplift. You're using other abilities. There's a problem with what you say in that your information is incorrect so it's impossible to judge what you could do to improve mana efficiency.

The OP of this thread doesn't even have uplift yet, so Xinxou's point is moot, at least in reference to why monk healing is hard for the OP around level 50.

I recommend speccing for Chi Wave instead of the other two. I've used Chi Wave since it became available and I don't recall having mana problems when I was leveling.

So you're not just using SM+uplift. You're using other abilities. There's a problem with what you say in that your information is incorrect so it's impossible to judge what you could do to improve mana efficiency.

The OP of this thread doesn't even have uplift yet, so Xinxou's point is moot, at least in reference to why monk healing is hard for the OP around level 50.

At 45 you don't have Mana Tea or Uplift. Saying I'm doing things wrong because I should be using abilities I don't have is not helpful.

Things were so problematic that I went tank. Our disc priest now disc dps, out dpses dps, doesn't even use bubbles, has great healing output and never goes OOM. Balancing needs to be changed low levels, MW might work when we have uplift and mana tea, but when we dont. It's not working as intended.

Do you have caster leather for MW spec?

The regen back at 45 should be more than enough to spam anything.

Do you have caster leather for MW spec?

The regen back at 45 should be more than enough to spam anything.

Yes, the leather boa' which even have spirit on them. I had the full boa set, as well as boa leather healing set as well as dungeon gear for other pieces. Edit (When I posted this, I had it all equipped)

My gear might still be worse in this spec for the job. And yes I was going oom using Just soothing and Chi. Without the throughput for big pulls to boot. Before I was a fist weaver, with no mana. I have tested my Paladin who is 47, my friends disc priest, and the difference is shocking. Now jab takes like 5-10% of your mana and you go oom fast. >.> Which is ridiculous. Still the other play style didn't help. I think the problem is that they expect us to use abilities we don't have yet.

Do you have caster leather for MW spec?

The regen back at 45 should be more than enough to spam anything.

Yes, the leather boa' which even have spirit on them. I had the full boa set, as well as boa leather healing set as well as dungeon gear for other pieces. Edit (When I posted this, I had it all equipped)

My gear might still be worse in this spec for the job. And yes I was going oom using Just soothing and Chi. Without the throughput for big pulls to boot. Before I was a fist weaver, with no mana. I have tested my Paladin who is 47, my friends disc priest, and the difference is shocking. Now jab takes like 5-10% of your mana and you go oom fast. >.> Which is ridiculous. Still the other play style didn't help. I think the problem is that they expect us to use abilities we don't have yet.

I know, like how much regen does he think a lvl 50 has??? The only tea that is any good for a lvling is glyphed tea. You can't drink when something is hitting you. Leveling post 5.1 with mana nerf is very different from pre 5.1. It comes down to Fistweaving is dead ATM. Mist and other top ranked monks have said the same.

So use glyphed tea, when you don't have mana tea yet.

You also forget that I tried the other playing style. >.>

I've leveled this MWM and honestly have rarely had mana issues. Even though i do now have mana teas, i'm hardly finding a need to use it. And this is with running caster leather BoA's (so no spirit on 4 items).

also Xinxou, if you got stuff hitting you as a healer in dungeons, either that tank !@#$ed up, you let the tank die for some reason or a random DPS pulled adds the tank hasn't collected yet

Maybe this is a rough patch. We just got a another monk healer in one of our dungeon runs, that was being out healed by the shadow priest. Also going oom. You probably also have uplift by now.

Hrm from what I'm reading, I'd just say don't use ReM at all. It's mana cost increase alone is what has been draining raiders out and it's not worth it if it only heals the tank.

Never cast or recast Jade Serpent Statue

Try to end pulls with 3-4 Chi so that you can snap 2-3 ticks of a drink everytime double roll is up to catch up and have enough burst healing availible left

Pray that level 56 is coming soon.

I haven't had mana issues on alts in a while but thats because I abuse the double int+mana on kill trinket and make sure I line up killing blow on some mobs often enough