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Just because a class has more common self heals doesn't mean they can self heal better than a hybrid. DPS hybrids have the ability to heal more effectively than pures while pure healing is usually in the form of damage or passive instead of being actual casted heals. Hybrids usually just choose to neglect healing themselves in BGs because the healers heal them, while pures, if they choose to have a heal, can't usually turn it off. Also, mages have practically no heals at all. Glyped evo is about it, everything else is a form of an absorb.
You're all welcome to roll DPS shaman. Because we're so op.
Pretty much currently if you're getting out dps'd by a hybrid dps... you suck. You are ahead by 5-10%. You do bring equal amounts of utility. I couldnt imagine doing gara without smoke bomb, or will without ALL OF THE MAGES. Warlocks are gods on Elegon sparks and everything else. Hunters are... lets just say balanced. I have yet to do a boss that becomes SIGNIFICANTLY easier with a certain hybrid class/spec. I've done a lot that are easier with certain pure classes.
...the difference being?
Look, these threads come up over and over. Here are the facts of the matter.
1. Having multiple dps specs is in itself a buff, since you always have better odds of having a top performer amongst the three.
2. Utility is very well spread around now.
3. In spite of 5 years (!!!!) of all DPS being on a more or less level playing field, pures are still well represented in the game, in raids, in progression, and in pvp. Nobody has stopped playing pures. The numbers speak for themselves.
If you guys could point to some meaningful stats, such as a decline in pure numbers, you would have more of a case. But you can't and so you don't. All I hear is "let us win at the start screen again!" It...ain't...gonna...happen, no matter how many of these threads you make.
It goes both ways, while having 3 dps specs means we have higher odds of having a viable dps spec it also means we have zero odds of having a viable tanking or healing spec, unlike hybrids.
I raid 25 man, I have no utility. Blizzard just shifted the buff buddy utility from shamans to hunters.
Doesn't mean there isn't imbalance.
Warlock Health Stones heal for more if every raid member does it, than a Boomer/Feral tranq. U dumb.
Try reading my post.
Hate to say it but you bring as much utility as locks if not more. Portals, Crit buff, Food/Water, Haste Buff, int.... so by your logic, locks should outDPS mages (finally).
What is this I don't even..
Oh right, don't actually raid.
Food/Water or cakes, are irrelevant by the fact that, I daresay, most guilds eat feasts.
We don't bring haste, there is no int buff unless you are talking about stats which is brought by other classes.
Portals are irrelevant to raiding, completely.
Since hearth stone cooldowns are so short and their destination the same as our portals.
Edited by Warping on 12/11/2012 12:57 AM PST
13 Undead Warlock
Um... hate to break it to you, but many people have stayed with certain mains since vanilla. Tooltips on each class were very different then. And, what is the advantage of a pure class? The only thing anyone (especially hybrids - mind you, I'm a hybrid too) ever say is that "no one will ask you to heal or tank." Really, that's the advantage!?! That's the best this game has to offer? Lol... hybridize them already, 4 spec capability has been introduced, feral kitty is literally out of the bag, let the game evolve.
And for some of those pures that would hate a 4th spec that provides a different role, ultimately, you can stay dps. NO ONE forces you to do anything you don't let them. You can still spec dps, it just provides an option for those who would enjoy something different with their mains (and rerolling an alt is so damn tedious now - not the same as getting different gear sets/transmog sets for your MAIN - not even close to the same satisfaction). I'd wager tank population would increase if rogues finally were able to evasion-tank like in the old days.
Actually the flocking of magi from fire to arcane/frost was substantial following the Fire nerf. From a raid perspective, the logs were showing a mass exodus and as such Blizzard had to rebuff the fire mage. Basically an admission.
Not that the fire magi community couldn't of told them the best option for nerfing us, if they had asked.....
That kind of got off topic - guess you know which spec I am. :)
Ignore the people vying for the hybrid tax.
I would like to see abilities that help raids or give some perk for not being able to respec into another role.
Currently I think mages are fine, due to ring of frost, rogues are fine due to feint and warlocks are fine due to healthstones.
But what happens next tier when RoF isn't relevant?
What happens if instead of periodic AoE damage, damage goes out in DoT's instead?
What about hunters?
Its funny because the only people who disagree to this are hybrids.
Well arn't you a special snowflake.
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