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I think I've got the ideal set of logs for you: http://www.worldoflogs.com/guilds/5666/
My raid runs Tu/Th. I'm unholy and my fellow DK, Deltaco, is frost.
My overall impression is that I'm not scaling as well with gear, particularly since Taco got the axe off LFR Sha. While being stuck with a blue weapon is definitely hurting now, back when I was in the 460s iL and Taco was just over 470, I was doing equal or better damage. Gap narrowed above 475, and now I'm a few iLevels ahead, but am getting out damaged on some fights.
Raidbots seems to be bearing out the curve as folks gear up: http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/Overall_DPS/10N/all/14/60/default/#c00
Let me know if you want me to discuss any log in particular in more detail.
I've noticed a similar problem with gear scaling. I've been staying at relatively the same gear for about a month now (got really lucky with drops early on) and other players in my raid are starting to catch up as they get gear.
Our 25 man normal Vizier kill last night. Our warriors are starting to outscale me as they get weapons/tier bonuses as well as normal gear upgrades. I realize you can't directly compare 2 different classes, but it does pose an issue that Unholy isn't scaling well enough for some reason. We scale mostly with non-weapon based damage (pets, diseases, spells, Soul Reaper) which greatly impacts our weapon damage scaling, and I think that may be where one of our biggest faults with scaling comes from.
We're definitely going to want to discuss the differences of 10 vs 25 raiding for Unholy DKs when I get the next thread rolling. The health difference (and thus opportunity cost of target switching) is something we'll want to keep in mind.
Anyhow, here's some sample parses from tonight:
Stone Guard: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/z0wqbv4f6ex2sffd/sum/damageDone/?s=439&e=717
25man Unholy DK
Protectors of the endless
Edited by Soothe on 12/13/2012 6:52 PM PST
10 man Unholy DK
Heroic Stone Guard
Sha of Fear
Amber Shaper (3rd in DPS without getting transformed)
I have tried both unholy and 2h frost AND DW frost and Unholy does extremely well in my opinion and is more fun to play than frost (for me).. I lose a lot of mobility and there are a lot of dead GCDs in frost.
I top the charts in my 10 man raids (3/16 H) 90% of the time as you can see from the logs. So its definetly not underpowered by any means... and believe it or not, I do more initial burst in unholy than when i was in frost.
Edited by Elantor on 12/13/2012 7:01 PM PST
Another Unholy DK here. This was my guilds kill for the first HoF boss last night. My ilvl is 488 (486 equipped), and I'm using the LFR sha axe since I haven't been able to get a normal Starshatter yet. My Guild does 25's, so I haven't tried any 10's really. We haven't gotten really far yet, but I'll keep posting successful logs if you guys think the data is useful!
Here is a log of the same boss the week before when I was 2H frost with the same gear.
The simple fact is that Unholy sims lower than frost and that alone will prevent players in high end guilds from playing the spec. I want to play Unholy but my raid leader simply wont let me because i'm not maxing out my character. I don't think Blizzard realizes how much simcraft numbers factor into guilds making decisions on raid comp. Even if they're not 100% accurate.
Edited by Mortalityx on 12/15/2012 11:56 AM PST
That may or may not be true. I'm currently trying to work with simcraft to get their unholy numbers adjusted. I believe they are currently using 1 incorrect bis trinket and have a sub-optimal disease prioritization. For example, their simulator claims that the average blood plague tick and crit is 23k and 47k in 509 gear. I'm getting those numbers in 493-495 gear with a normal starshatter. They are clearly doing something wrong with unholy diseases.
Here's a Tayak parse of mine with a normal starshatter. http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-1f1gf2ewfdofs6is/details/2/?enc=bosses&boss=63664
Now here's simc: http://simulationcraft.org/510/Raid_T14H.html#Death_Knight_Unholy_T14H
The key with unholy is applying diseases at the right times. With full buffs, you can easily increase disease damage by 20-30%.
Edit: Heres another log of mine from 11/2 on feng normal with an ilvl of 488-490....my numbers almost exactly match Simcs: http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-qbpk4zxxfw01zd6r/details/6/?s=265&e=677
Edited by Rothulean on 12/15/2012 1:16 PM PST
For anyone wondering what the hell Im talking about, go to this link: http://tinyurl.com/cmf87dm
The link is safe, I promise. Read the last post at the end of that link to see why simc is not applying diseases at the right times. Im also pretty certain that Heroic Darkmist Vortex is a dps downgrade over Heroic Lei Shin's Final Orders.
Edit: I hope this doesnt derail the thread, but considering this is the numbers thread, I thought it was relevant. With proper timing on disease application, disease damage can jump massively.
Edited by Rothulean on 12/16/2012 12:47 AM PST
here's my guild's HoF parses from tonight, cleared through Wind boss with attempts on Amberbkeeper. Ill try to post here more often as we have 2 DKs with each DPS spec, comparisons(IMO) will be close as I think Ghyrrshyld is pretty damn good and not to toot my own horn....
edit: for clarity
Edited by Wonderbreh on 12/19/2012 1:58 AM PST
I find this post very interesting and here is a list of my own logs to contribute. I am 500 ilvl and I play both unholy and frost 2h quite frequently in 25 man raids. Almost all of these logs are below 100 word record so they are very relevant to the subject. I personaly feels like unholy is a great spec overall, but most of the fight atm doesn't allow you to play it at 100% efficiency. There are too many fight where you have to stop dmg or where you have your ghoul morph up and then there is no dmg to be done. Here is a couple of example for this: Shield on H Spirit King, Garalon's legs, Elegon Sparks, Lei Shei... I personaly think that in most of the fight, atm frost is way better because you can always do 100% of your dmg at any given time since your *rotation (I don't like that word) is fairly simple and you can catch up very easily. As unholy, there is way too many times where you morph your ghoul and then you do nothing with it.
Of course, some would say that the only way to fix it is to wait for the optimal moment to use it. My response to this is that the key point to master as unholy is to morph your ghoul as often as possible and waiting 10 sec to morph your ghoul is a HUGE dps lost.
Most of these logs were from this and last week, but some of them are older and that is why the dmg is lower. We are 2 dks in my raids. The other one is playing as frost dual wield and he is at the same gear as me, so this makes a perfect analogy (2h frost vs 1hand) and (UH vs 1hand) Again, I've puted my frost logs as well do show you that on some of the fight, it is stupid to play unholy.
Feng H: Frost : http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-xn40w3ix51p4kitb/sum/damageDone/?s=1387&e=1733
Garaj H : Frost : http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/61njfknjytks1lhe/sum/damageDone/?s=88&e=372
Spirit Kings H: Frost : http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-xn40w3ix51p4kitb/sum/damageDone/?s=3576&e=4165
Spirit Kings N: Unholy: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-hzsz9d6id68piy46/sum/damageDone/?s=9981&e=10343#Kealor
Elegon H: Frost: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-xn40w3ix51p4kitb/sum/damageDone/?s=5226&e=5670
Will H: Frost :http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-xn40w3ix51p4kitb/sum/damageDone/?s=13976&e=14704
Will N: Unholy: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-e5wfpxkxipzo2kqg/sum/damageDone/?s=3809&e=4211#Kealor
Heart of Fear
Blade Lord H: Frost : http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-6uo9s17c53mcxlkt/sum/damageDone/?s=7481&e=7924 (3 weeks ago)
Garalon H: Frost : http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-5pywtmhis6irypnz/sum/damageDone/?s=4460&e=4858
Wind Lord H: Unholy:http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-ytgjemi374clkiit/sum/damageDone/?s=6596&e=7073
Ambershaper: Frost :http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-ytgjemi374clkiit/sum/damageDone/?s=9187&e=9582
Empress: Unholy: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-ytgjemi374clkiit/sum/damageDone/?s=10963&e=11445
Tsulong: Frost : http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-ytgjemi374clkiit/sum/damageDone/?s=12869&e=13214
UH: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-ee7xdv6dv9cun5r0/sum/damageDone/?s=988&e=1418#Kealor (A little outdated)
Lei Shei: Frost : http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-ytgjemi374clkiit/sum/damageDone/?s=13532&e=13919
Sha of Fear: Frost : http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/h343bxp1ln7i6e9p/sum/damageDone/?s=789&e=1302
Relevent UH Logs (Lfr)
All my lfr logs
I will try to do more unholy kill this week to have more data and have a better comparasion.
Edit: I use Starshatter 510ilvl on all of these logs [item="http://www.wowhead.com/item=87061" /]
The Gm zarhym posted this yesterday, I find it very interesting
@elive2012 Are there any plans to buff Unholy Death Knights? It's really sad how underpowered this spec is right now.
I just wanted to remind you that the author of this post made another post concerning unholy issues and solutions to it. It is a great/well made one so you may want to check it out: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/7415602517
Edited by Kealor on 12/20/2012 9:15 AM PST
I always play as Unholy just because every time I try Frost I have the bad RNG of procs and my DPS is never as consistently as high as when I'm Unholy. Anyway here is a link to my logs; they span over the course of the current raid tier but I get some pretty high up rankings with it, and keep up with and/or beat most Frost DK's I've run with.
Every new raid week I had at least one change in gear, for the most part my logs were done with Starshatter with no upgrades.
Edited by Söulstous on 12/23/2012 4:36 AM PST
I'm Unholy through and through, and have found myself to be incredibly competitive with Frost DKs on most fights. I enjoy this spec more as I like the complexity over Frost. I will see if I can't get some logs together, I would tout that I haven't been below the top 2 dps in any of the LFRs, beaten usually only by exceptional hunters, but that is LFR, lol. I'll see what all I can get together.
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