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So what were the consequences of Theramore...
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... exploding? Haven't played or kept up to date with WoW stuff for quite a while, and my searches are giving me conflicted information (specially bout the Sunreavers). Anyone want to fuel my laziness and give me a run down or point me out to one?
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Absolutely goddamed nothing. Jaina is more neutral than ever, no retaliatory strike is launched, and the Alliance is once again portrayed as the pointlessly white-knight moron that couldn't find their !@# with both hands.
Really, it's just another part of the setup to bring Thrall back. |
Absolutely goddamed nothing. Jaina is more neutral than ever, no retaliatory strike is launched, and the Alliance is once again portrayed as the pointlessly white-knight moron that couldn't find their !@# with both hands. Yeah, Jaina is so neutral she expels the Sunreavers from Dalaran and delivers it straight into the arms of the Alliance. Not that I'm complaining, it honestly was long overdue. I'm just pointing how ridiculous it is to say Jaina is still neutral. |
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Except that the Sunreaver situation required another attack. She went back to proclaiming her hope for the Alliance and Horde working together after Theramore.
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Yeah, in the end there were literally no consequences at all.
In MoP the Alliance don't care at all about Theramore or vengeance. They are there to save the Pandaerans, flowers, and puppies. |
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If I might, alot of the npcs mention Theramore as the driving reason for motivation in combat. The new rares use it as a battle cry.
I personally have strong feelings for Theramore, and after Anduin Wrynn dies, Jaina does relinquish Dalaran to the fight against Garrosh. |
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No consequences.
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Edited by Aureus on 12/9/12 2:32 AM (PST)
Literally nothing. Even the obvious implications of the Alliance losing their only major military base in that region of Kalimdor aren't really touched upon. To the point where if they retconned the whole event, all they'd have to do is remove the lines of dialog that mention it. Edit: Nevermind. Rhonin dying and Jaina becoming the new head of the Kirin Tor is the big major development from Theramore. Tides of War seems like an awful lot of exposition just to kill off this one character though. |
War. War in Pandaria or however it is spelled. Would've fought there regardless.
Worst part is, Jania is effectively full-filling his role the same way he would have. |
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Edited by Zerde on 12/9/12 4:28 AM (PST)
Except that the Sunreaver situation required another attack. She went back to proclaiming her hope for the Alliance and Horde working together after Theramore. Varian sent you as well? I'm outnumbered in my own city! I decided to include that because it explain why Jaina was trying to be neutral and it does make sense. What exactly do people want Jaina to do? Simply purge the Sunreavers, who have been members of the Kirin Tor long before Jaina became leader? People make it sound like Jaina hasnt thought about this alot. In MoP the Alliance don't care at all about Theramore or vengeance. They are there to save the Pandaerans, flowers, and puppies. "This ones for Theramore" was one of the first lines in MoP an Alliance player would hear.
The Alliance now has the Kirin Tor back. Without ToW that wouldnt have occured. |
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We steal the bell. Thats it. Thats the big 'attack'. I dont think we even kill anyone during the theft.
Its sounds nice but I dont think it was going to ever work in practice. The only way it could is if either both sides accepted that their members would be involved in supporting their respective factions or if neither side was allowed to. Again the fact she gets upset because horde use Sunreaver resources to recover the Bell and calls it betrayal would hold more ground if she wasnt playing defense for the alliance at the time. In short, she talks big but when tested her words held no weight. Jaina should have made a choice right at the start. If the sunreavers were forbidden from supporting the horde that should have been set down and enforced from the moment she took over. |
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"we steal the bell, that's it"
It's a superweapon. One that in the hands of Garrosh, can do very bad things. It would be like if the Japanese got the Red Cross to steal the United States Military's plan for the nuclear weapons during WW2 and then trying to build one of their own. |
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Edited by Zerde on 12/9/12 5:03 AM (PST)
Maybe, but I also find her actions, while reprehensible, completely logical for her character as well. She tried to give peace another chance and when that didnt turn out as she hope she went totally berserk. And considering this is a woman that could have wiped out Orgrimmar long ago I dont think its fair to say she was being hypocritical. She was simply put into a bad spot by the Horde and had to do something about it. Its sounds nice but I dont think it was going to ever work in practice. The only way it could is if either both sides accepted that their members would be involved in supporting their respective factions or if neither side was allowed to. Considering the Kirin Tor's goal of preventing magic from being abused I think Jaina just thought it was part of the Kirin Tor duty to prevent Garrosh from getting the bell. Granted I doubt the Sunreavers saw it that way. Jaina should have made a choice right at the start. If the sunreavers were forbidden from supporting the horde that should have been set down and enforced from the moment she took over. I assume that is implied by the quest. That Dalaran as a whole is neutral. Dalaran, and its members, would not be supporting there respective factions but wouldnt totally cut off there connections. |
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Yeah, plus I think a lot of people seem to be under the impression that once the Six said she was Archmage, Jaina had limitless and unchecked power over Dalaran that no one would challenge...ever. Even if she technically had the authority to purge the Sunreavers from day 1, in practice it would probably only result in her being stripped of her title. The fact that Aethas Sunreaver had been nothing but supportive of Jaina is also a factor here, as one does not repay support with hostility. It wasn't until it became clear that a significant number of Sunreavers were in fact acting in direct support of Garrosh that Jaina was even in a position to purge the Sunreavers. The amusing thing is, Aethas was probably innocent all along, he is no fan of Garrosh and only remained part of the Horde out of loyalty to his homeland. |
That's because you get caught before you can use it. That's like saying a terrorist shouldn't go to jail because he didn't use that bomb strapped to his chest yet. |
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Alliance got really steamed then! It wasn't every other act of war leading up to that, it was Theramore!
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Yeah! Who cares about Gilneas! or Horde trolls attacking Elves! Or the Horde bombing Southshore! Or the invasion of Ashenvale! those were just petty squabbles that the Alliance should never had par took in. |
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Edited by Tessa on 12/9/12 8:50 AM (PST)
Nothing. It had no meaningful impact on the story.
And yeah, some Alliance NPCs do shout 'FOR THERAMORE' or some !@#$ like that. Jaina doesn't care. What right do they, or we, if she doesn't? |
