Whinge long enough = get buffs

90 Blood Elf Mage
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12/11/2012 07:48 PMPosted by Kagecamia
Second, fire was too strong on the cleave fights. Period. It may have been RNG for those mages that were topping the meters on WoL. But still


You mean, just like combat rogues?
Oh wait, you are the same person that's been spewing rubbish about mages since the nerf.

Third, All i saw for about a week after the nerf was "im not viable wtf blizz unsubbing" and "im getting benched". It was getting annoying and loh and behold! It was buffed to compensate a bit.


Buffed to compensate is speculation without any form of evidence to prove it.
Please stop with your crusade.

Locks are lucky not to get large nerfs like fire was.
I'd rather have a small almost insignificant nerf as opposed to the ground as fire was, of which logs support.
83% of the mage raiding communities DPS went from above average to the bottom. (Using normal 10/25 to heroic 10/25)
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90 Human Paladin
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12/11/2012 07:56 PMPosted by Warping
83% of the mage raiding communities DPS went from above average to the bottom. (Using normal 10/25 to heroic 10/25)


I love it when people put percentages in their post with no proof to back it up. It would be like me saying 90% of the ret paladins feel like their class is in the gutter. I have no proof, so I can't say it.
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90 Blood Elf Mage
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83% of the mage raiding communities DPS went from above average to the bottom. (Using normal 10/25 to heroic 10/25)


I love it when people put percentages in their post with no proof to back it up. It would be like me saying 90% of the ret paladins feel like their class is in the gutter. I have no proof, so I can't say it.


Check world of logs - parses - calculate the parses from normal and heroics.
Do a generalized overview of how this propagates to acutal progression using wow progress.

EDIT: To clarify WoL parses indicates 83% of the mage parses.
The average between downings of heroic feng and heroic stone guard indicates 82-83%.
Edited by Warping on 12/11/2012 8:26 PM PST
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90 Pandaren Mage
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You're an idiot.

I just felt I should let you know...


First, it's a matter of opinion. Sticks and stones if you will.

Second, fire was too strong on the cleave fights. Period. It may have been RNG for those mages that were topping the meters on WoL. But still

Third, All i saw for about a week after the nerf was "im not viable wtf blizz unsubbing" and "im getting benched". It was getting annoying and loh and behold! It was buffed to compensate a bit.

I'd like to tell you something, Chaos Wave is used in pve albeit not soo often except on aoe adds that need to die (Windlord, tsulong, lei shi, etc) And it was nerfed. Locks complained yet nothing was done.

I just felt you should know....


So they nerfed a skill that doesn't affect PvE hardly, AND they shouldered you with a reduction to it's demonic energy cost!!? You poor, poor thing.
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90 Undead Mage
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12/10/2012 07:59 PMPosted by Binstabbin
Looks like the Mages whinging/posting enough times about the fire nerfs, has resulted in a buff to them.


I don't think it was the whining, I think it was the subscription cancellations. And, for me, it's not just about this nerf. Fire has changed so much from Cata/HoT that it's just not that fun to play anymore. This mega-nerf was just the straw that broke the camel's back.

Personally, I'm not whining about it. I'm disappointed that they did this but I also don't pretend to understand the data they're analyzing to determine how to do these things. They saw something they didn't like and fixed it. Fine. I saw something I didn't like and I fixed it. We're square :).
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90 Blood Elf Paladin
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12/11/2012 08:21 PMPosted by Warping
Check world of logs - parses - calculate the parses from normal and heroics.


It's weird how even before the little mini buff fire was still above rets. Yet I see about 5 times as many threads complaining about how bad mages are right now than I do rets.

Check raid bots then come back with your made up facts.
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90 Troll Mage
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It's weird how even before the little mini buff fire was still above rets. Yet I see about 5 times as many threads complaining about how bad mages are right now than I do rets.

Check raid bots then come back with your made up facts.


It actually makes perfect sense, most fire mages were used to doing great dps and then they got shot down to one of the worst. Thats how people in general work. You take a person who is used to any thing and then push them into a worse position they will typically view themselves as worse off then people who are actually worse.
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90 Blood Elf Mage
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Check world of logs - parses - calculate the parses from normal and heroics.


It's weird how even before the little mini buff fire was still above rets. Yet I see about 5 times as many threads complaining about how bad mages are right now than I do rets.

Check raid bots then come back with your made up facts.


As of today, Fire is *still* below ret pallies for both 10 man normals and 25 man normals. The only class lower than fire is arms.

It is slightly above ret pallies for heroics, however.
Edited by Taymage on 12/12/2012 2:12 PM PST
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It's weird how even before the little mini buff fire was still above rets. Yet I see about 5 times as many threads complaining about how bad mages are right now than I do rets.

Check raid bots then come back with your made up facts.


Ret above fire
http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/Spec_Score/25H/all/7/30/default/

Ret above fire
http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/Spec_Score/25H/100/7/30/default/

Ret above fire
http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/Spec_Score/25N/100/7/30/default/

Ret above fire
http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/Spec_Score/25N/all/7/30/default/
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90 Gnome Warrior
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12/10/2012 07:59 PMPosted by Binstabbin
Looks like the Mages whinging/posting enough times about the fire nerfs, has resulted in a buff to them.


Or the developers realized they overshot their goal and corrected for it.

I'll let you in a secret. Listening? Good.

"Blizzard doesn't balance this game around who whines the most on the forums."

Got it? Good.
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90 Troll Mage
15205
It's weird how even before the little mini buff fire was still above rets. Yet I see about 5 times as many threads complaining about how bad mages are right now than I do rets.

Check raid bots then come back with your made up facts.


Ret above fire
http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/Spec_Score/25H/all/7/30/default/

Ret above fire
http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/Spec_Score/25H/100/7/30/default/

Ret above fire
http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/Spec_Score/25N/100/7/30/default/

Ret above fire
http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/Spec_Score/25N/all/7/30/default/


This is a really dishonest post...

You cant go comparing different sets of data like that. You have to do comparative parses like do all parses for all of them and such. What you are doing is completely biased.
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90 Blood Elf Paladin
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http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/Overall_DPS/25H/all/7/60/default/

All Heroic bosses for the last week, because lets face it no one cares about normals.

Also top 100 is a bad representation of dps as it is who gets to pad the most.

Fire is 4k above rets.
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90 Blood Elf Mage
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Ret above fire
http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/Spec_Score/25H/all/7/30/default/

Ret above fire
http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/Spec_Score/25H/100/7/30/default/

Ret above fire
http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/Spec_Score/25N/100/7/30/default/

Ret above fire
http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/Spec_Score/25N/all/7/30/default/


This is a really dishonest post...

You cant go comparing different sets of data like that. You have to do comparative parses like do all parses for all of them and such. What you are doing is completely biased.


True.

But if he had simply linked overall, median damage for all of those four (10N, 10H, 25N, 25H), it would have shown fire lower than ret for 10 and 25 normal, but higher than ret in 10 and 25 heroics.

10N: http://www.raidbots.com/dpsbot/Overall_DPS/10N/all/7/60/median/
10H: http://www.raidbots.com/dpsbot/Overall_DPS/10H/all/7/60/median/
25N: http://www.raidbots.com/dpsbot/Overall_DPS/25N/all/7/60/median/
25H: http://www.raidbots.com/dpsbot/Overall_DPS/25H/all/7/60/median/

In other words, the pally was not exactly correct when she said even before the mini-buff "fire was still above rets"
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90 Blood Elf Mage
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12/12/2012 04:08 PMPosted by Rùne
lets face it no one cares about normals


Lol, uh yeah.

Except, of course, for the vastly larger pool of people doing those normals.
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90 Blood Elf Paladin
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12/12/2012 04:10 PMPosted by Taymage
In other words, the pally was not exactly correct when she said even before the mini-buff "fire was still above rets


Or I linked heroic because the more skilled players are killing heroic boss right now. Which means the skill gap is much smaller between parses.

So at the higher level of play, yes fire is indeed better. Not to mention how you still have arcane that is higher. But I guess mages feel entitled to having two specs they can play and still beat half the raid.
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90 Blood Elf Mage
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Shorter Rune: "blah blah blah, I was wrong, so now I'll change the subject and tell you can play some other spec."

Here, let me try that out on you: "quit whining about ret, you can always go prot or holy."
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