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100 Human Paladin
4275
WOG is now healing me for 15k with 3 Holy Power. Warriors now do more self healing than Rets. Thanks for the love Ghostcrawler!!!!!!!!!
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80 Human Priest
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12/13/2012 09:20 AMPosted by Agincourt
WOG is now healing me for 15k with 3 Holy Power. Warriors now do more self healing than Rets. Thanks for the love Ghostcrawler!!!!!!!!!


umm Zen Sphere is healing my monk for 4k per tick, and chi-wave is only healing for 7-9k a bounce.

Welcome to being balanced...Enjoy your stay.
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100 Human Paladin
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What balance you talking about?

RETs pay the "hybrid tax" on damage for the ability to heal. Outside of our cooldowns our damage is horrible. Now we cant even heal oursleves or anyone else, yet the "hybrid tax" on damage remains

So the results are that DKs and Warriors do nearly twice the damge and Warriors do better healing. Is that balance?
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90 Human Paladin
Ice
13035
You never stop whining, do you? You must enjoy doing it.

I hate to break it to you Agincourt, but Ret is in arguably the most balanced position it has ever been. Yes, we have problems. Every class and spec has problems.

You constantly making use of personal attacks against Blizzard is not going to help. You sounds like a spoiled little brat.
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80 Human Priest
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What balance you talking about?

RETs pay the "hybrid tax" on damage for the ability to heal. Outside of our cooldowns our damage is horrible. Now we cant even heal oursleves or anyone else, yet the "hybrid tax" on damage remains

So the results are that DKs and Warriors do nearly twice the damge and Warriors do better healing. Is that balance?


Well no one is going to take you seriously if your entire post is going to be hyperbole.

Warriors don't heal better then Ret. Warriors can't heal at all. Second Wind is a defensive passive, and it only kicks in when the Warrior is below 35%.

Ret can heal themselves and others. You also have loads of utility and CC. You are not a special snowflake...Almost every classes' damage is weak outside of cooldowns. That's just the way this expansion was designed for some reason, so no you are not paying some hybrid healing tax that you invented in your own head.

Enhancement. WindWalkers, Death Knights, Elemental Shaman, still heal worse then Ret, and don't have half the utility you bring to a match.
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100 Human Paladin
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What balance you talking about?

RETs pay the "hybrid tax" on damage for the ability to heal. Outside of our cooldowns our damage is horrible. Now we cant even heal oursleves or anyone else, yet the "hybrid tax" on damage remains

So the results are that DKs and Warriors do nearly twice the damge and Warriors do better healing. Is that balance?


Well no one is going to take you seriously if your entire post is going to be hyperbole.

Warriors don't heal better then Ret. Warriors can't heal at all. Second Wind is a defensive passive, and it only kicks in when the Warrior is below 35%.

Ret can heal themselves and others. You also have loads of utility and CC. You are not a special snowflake...Almost every classes' damage is weak outside of cooldowns. That's just the way this expansion was designed for some reason, so no you are not paying some hybrid healing tax that you invented in your own head.

Enhancement. WindWalkers, Death Knights, Elemental Shaman, still heal worse then Ret, and don't have half the utility you bring to a match.
Warrior, DK, Spriest, Warlocks damage low outside cooldowns? Hardly.
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90 Pandaren Monk
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RETs pay the "hybrid tax" on damage for the ability to heal. Outside of our cooldowns our damage is horrible. Now we cant even heal oursleves or anyone else, yet the "hybrid tax" on damage remains


Here in the rest of the world, it's not 2008 anymore. It's 2012 (nearly 2013!) and the hybrid tax is long gone.
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80 Human Priest
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Well no one is going to take you seriously if your entire post is going to be hyperbole.

Warriors don't heal better then Ret. Warriors can't heal at all. Second Wind is a defensive passive, and it only kicks in when the Warrior is below 35%.

Ret can heal themselves and others. You also have loads of utility and CC. You are not a special snowflake...Almost every classes' damage is weak outside of cooldowns. That's just the way this expansion was designed for some reason, so no you are not paying some hybrid healing tax that you invented in your own head.

Enhancement. WindWalkers, Death Knights, Elemental Shaman, still heal worse then Ret, and don't have half the utility you bring to a match.
Warrior, DK, Spriest, Warlocks damage low outside cooldowns? Hardly.


Warlock damage is a joke outside of cooldowns, and so is Warrior damage. Shadow Priest damage is completely RNG, and DKs are a sustain damage class with no true burst cooldowns.

Again the only hybrid in the game that rivals Ret's group utility is shadow priest. There is nothing wrong with Ret, and if you wanted to play a healer you should have spec Holy. Hybrid healing is suppose to be a small bonus not what your spec revolves around.
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100 Human Paladin
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RETs pay the "hybrid tax" on damage for the ability to heal. Outside of our cooldowns our damage is horrible. Now we cant even heal oursleves or anyone else, yet the "hybrid tax" on damage remains


Here in the rest of the world, it's not 2008 anymore. It's 2012 (nearly 2013!) and the hybrid tax is long gone.
Nope. The justification for RETs low damage is our supposed ability to heal. Take away our healing and they need to give us more damage. Cant nerf us on healing and damage
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100 Human Paladin
4275
Warrior, DK, Spriest, Warlocks damage low outside cooldowns? Hardly.


Warlock damage is a joke outside of cooldowns, and so is Warrior damage. Shadow Priest damage is completely RNG, and DKs are a sustain damage class with no true burst cooldowns.

Again the only hybrid in the game that rivals Ret's group utility is shadow priest. There is nothing wrong with Ret, and if you wanted to play a healer you should have spec Holy. Hybrid healing is suppose to be a small bonus not what your spec revolves around.
Nonsense. Equally geared Warriors, DKs, Spriest, Warlocks will always do much more damage
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90 Pandaren Monk
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12/13/2012 09:46 AMPosted by Agincourt
Nope. The justification for RETs low damage is our supposed ability to heal. Take away our healing and they need to give us more damage. Cant nerf us on healing and damage


That's not what hybrid tax means. What you're describing is just called "balancing." You can make an argument that it hasn't been done very well, but it's not the same thing as the hybrid tax.
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80 Human Priest
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Warlock damage is a joke outside of cooldowns, and so is Warrior damage. Shadow Priest damage is completely RNG, and DKs are a sustain damage class with no true burst cooldowns.

Again the only hybrid in the game that rivals Ret's group utility is shadow priest. There is nothing wrong with Ret, and if you wanted to play a healer you should have spec Holy. Hybrid healing is suppose to be a small bonus not what your spec revolves around.
Nonsense. Equally geared Warriors, DKs, Spriest, Warlocks will always do much more damage


Well Warriors, DKs, Warlocks SHOULD do more damage then you. You have 5x more group utility then they do. What would be the point if you had better healing, group utility and damage then the other dps specs in the game?

Also if a shadow priest is out damaging you in a 3v3 match you are doing something very wrong.
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100 Human Paladin
4275
Nonsense. Equally geared Warriors, DKs, Spriest, Warlocks will always do much more damage


Well Warriors, DKs, Warlocks SHOULD do more damage then you. You have 5x more group utility then they do. What would be the point if you had better healing, group utility and damage then the other dps specs in the game?

Also if a shadow priest is out damaging you in a 3v3 match you are doing something very wrong.
Agree that they should do more damage and that's the trade off for healing. But when a Warrior can outheal all my damage and WOG gets nerfed then that trade off is no longer fair
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90 Night Elf Rogue
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12/13/2012 09:20 AMPosted by Agincourt
WOG is now healing me for 15k with 3 Holy Power


Sounds pretty awesome to me.
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90 Human Warlock
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12/13/2012 09:20 AMPosted by Agincourt
WOG is now healing me for 15k with 3 Holy Power.

I wish I could heal myself for 15K after spamming 3 instant abilities.

12/13/2012 09:20 AMPosted by Agincourt
Warriors now do more self healing than Rets

Haha.

TL;DR
Sacred Shield, Holy Avenger and ANY LEVEL 90 pally talent would like to have a word with you.
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100 Blood Elf Paladin
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35k Crit on instant Flash of light last night, gotta love these changes.
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90 Blood Elf Paladin
10580
There isn't a hybrid tax anymore.
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80 Human Priest
3225
12/13/2012 10:17 AMPosted by Faeria
35k Crit on instant Flash of light last night, gotta love these changes.


You do realize this is what WW monks were healing for BEFORE the pvp power change, and before the healing debuff change?

You are complaining about a 35k crit heal when that is what I was doing pre-all these nerfs. Now my Chi-wave is like 7-9k per bounce lol.

You were spoiled.
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100 Human Paladin
4275
12/13/2012 10:08 AMPosted by Elemeno
WOG is now healing me for 15k with 3 Holy Power.

I wish I could heal myself for 15K after spamming 3 instant abilities.

Warriors now do more self healing than Rets

Haha.

TL;DR
Sacred Shield, Holy Avenger and ANY LEVEL 90 pally talent would like to have a word with you.
I wish I could do your damage. I'll trade you the lousy 15K heal for a pice of your damage
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100 Blood Elf Paladin
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12/13/2012 10:45 AMPosted by Primiez
35k Crit on instant Flash of light last night, gotta love these changes.


You do realize this is what WW monks were healing for BEFORE the pvp power change, and before the healing debuff change?

You are complaining about a 35k crit heal when that is what I was doing pre-all these nerfs. Now my Chi-wave is like 7-9k per bounce lol.

You were spoiled.


We're not talking about monks. We're talking about Ret spec.

Ret has very poor sustained damage, no reliable snare unless a better talent is given up for it.

Furthermore the healing nerf to hybrids in the first case was because of shamans and priests who were doing FAR too much healing.

As a Ret paladin though this is what our spec is supposed to be balanced around, Utility.

Hand spells only go so far for teammates before they need a heal and this is what the spec provided. Now that healing utility is gone and we're stuck with awful self heals and damage outside of popping every cooldown.

Different classes are different but it dosen't justify gutting one entire spec when other classes are the real culprits of having too much healing.
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