I Hate Pump.

90 Goblin Death Knight
11925
I can look at that and see this:

Dancing water skimmer power 257

712


Alongside


Mirror strider power 305

681


Something tells me your data's a bit, oh, I don't know, lacking.


There is an unknown damage range that is not shown (skills currently only give you access to the base, which is probably a range). Its possible he hit the low ends and the high ends.
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90 Blood Elf Priest
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Or they both have 257 and I looked at the wrong one. Not sure how I did that. The numbers are legit though, and I did offer a screenie.
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85 Night Elf Druid
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Yeah. I was merely poking fun at his use of "valid post" when he posts data with one point of data for each set.
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90 Blood Elf Priest
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12/13/2012 01:35 AMPosted by Rollthebones
Yeah. I was merely poking fun at his use of "valid post" when he posts data with one point of data for each set.


Where are you facts?
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90 Goblin Shaman
15060
I can look at that and see this:



Alongside



Something tells me your data's a bit, oh, I don't know, lacking.


There is an unknown damage range that is not shown (skills currently only give you access to the base, which is probably a range). Its possible he hit the low ends and the high ends.


Hai2u! I have a strider. It was actually like my fourth pet to 25. I got him to kill my first legendary boss, and he worked out well. I spent hours fighting with him, and against elementals (with rain up) I hit about 1.1-3k every time non-crit on elementals. Then I crit about 1.7-9k on them. When it is not versus something that it is strong against the little guy usally hits about 800-900. And crits around 1.1-2k. I hope this helps you out a little bit. This is just from hours and hours of farming Nishi, and also doing the legendary dailies every day. :3
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85 Night Elf Druid
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My facts? Besides empirical evidence, and hearsay? It's better than a chart showing one point of data for each subject.
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90 Blood Elf Priest
BnB
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lvl 25 strider numbers against all lvl 25s

668
715
654
693
700
695
694
663
695
708

no crits, no weakness. anything more I can do for you?
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12/13/2012 01:43 AMPosted by Rollthebones
Besides empirical evidence, and hearsay? It's better than a chart showing one point of data for each subject.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAH

*breaths*

HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHA

Edit to say that thinking no evidence is better than any is f'n amazing. you sir have made my day. bravo.
Edited by Hearus on 12/13/2012 1:55 AM PST
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90 Goblin Shaman
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12/13/2012 01:51 AMPosted by Hearus
Besides empirical evidence, and hearsay? It's better than a chart showing one point of data for each subject.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAH

*breaths*

HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHA


Hey now fellas, it's just a game remember, I'm sure we wouldn't be so mean and sarcastic irl. x.x Did you see my post by any chance, Hearus? :) Those are what my results were. :<
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85 Night Elf Druid
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Which Strider is that? What's its attack?
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90 Blood Elf Priest
BnB
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257

I saw your numbers vanessa. Your numbers actually hold well with mine once you add in the rain and weaknesses.
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90 Blood Elf Priest
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puffer

817
890
812
834
844
839
835
835
831
862
1304(crit)
844

no weaknesses/strengths.
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90 Blood Elf Priest
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And thanks for the flawless stone. Probably would not have been pet battling without this thread so wheeeeeee.
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90 Goblin Death Knight
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Doing some math.

Pump 45 base, 2.25 ratio + 10% bonus

(257 +45) * 2.25 * 1.1 = 747.45

Rip + Blood in the Water

Rip 14 base intial, 5 per round for 5 rounds (25 total), .75 ratio on intial, .25 on the bleed

305 ATK rip is doing 242.75 intial, 81.25 a round (406.25 total). Over 2 rounds, its done 405.25.

Blood in the Water

40 base, 2 ATK ratio

305 ATK blood in the water is hitting for 650.

All together thats 1005.25 damage. Blood in the Water + only 2 rounds of rip all together hits for more than a single Pump.

Math is fun. Nerf Blood in the Water now?
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90 Blood Elf Priest
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My friends told me cinder kitten is the most powerful pet in the game because it gets extra stat points. They should probably nerf that.
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90 Blood Elf Priest
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I'm becoming more and more convinced that pet battles are surprisingly well balanced.
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90 Blood Elf Hunter
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I think Pump is a very good skill. I think aquatics in general are underrated in pvp. I use striders and with 273 and 260 power they hit for between 630 and 660. Add in cleansing rain and 800-900 non crit hits are the norm so I believe Roll when he says he sees this. These are normal hits, not against Elementals.

The puffer hits a lot harder but his jerky moves annoy me so I only bring him out when someone's running a particularly annoying elemental.

Pump, IMO, isn't overpowered but it is very strong and as it can be stored you can still keep your opponent guessing. I would put in in the realm of spells like Conflag, good spells, hard hitting, not OP.

This thread makes me sad that my #4 Emperor Crab doesn't have pump. /pout
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90 Night Elf Rogue
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12/12/2012 10:12 PMPosted by Rollthebones
I am aware that it's strong. That is something with which I am aware.


The redundancy department of redundancy.
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90 Human Paladin
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Pump is strong but the 900 dmg pets suffer greatly when it comes to speed. I prefer a faster strider who I can pump, put up cleansing rain, swap and then later in the game (before weather dies) swap blam! ninja pump!

Can't do that with a slow pet, and anyone with half a brain will throw in an avoidance pet when they see a strider.
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85 Night Elf Druid
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12/13/2012 08:06 AMPosted by Timat
I am aware that it's strong. That is something with which I am aware.


The redundancy department of redundancy.


You don't say? That'd be the intention. Same as being told Fluxfire Feline is strong by six or seven people.
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