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14 Undead Warrior
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fire mages really arent in a better place than last week, almost all dps are beating my guilds fire mage, including our boomkin.

fire mages arent really "top"anything, not top aoe, not top single target , very restricted on movement.

not sure why blizz @#$% all over this spec/class, its a shame really

from a formidable dps cannon to riding the bottom of the dps meters, seems extreme to me
Edited by Peligro on 12/11/2012 9:38 PM PST
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90 Human Monk
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Don't post on things you are ignorant of. Critical Mass went from 1.5 -> 1.25 -> 1.3. They adjusted the nerf by 0.05 on Critical Mass. That is hardly significant. If anything, it was expected as Blizzard themselves stated they'd adjust as necessary.

Just because a class you dislike got a "buff" doesn't make it significant.


Did i say anything about significant? I said addressed which it was and also worked on which the .05 buff qualifies as since they are paying attention to where you are. Just because you feel attacked in this tread doesn't mean I'm claiming fire mages are back to where they where


Attacked? Not at all. Just clarifying that this really doesn't mean too much. It is being blown way out of proportion.
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90 Pandaren Mage
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12/11/2012 07:12 PMPosted by Prieto


Constructive posts with logs/data in addition to theory craft are better than simply asking for a buff.


Didn't help hunters. Given the speed at which mages got their issue addressed and worked on I would think the OP was in the right track


As much of an impact that the nerf actually made, and through a hotfix no doubt, I would expect no less. Now if only I knew how much dps I will be capable of tomorrow..
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100 Dwarf Hunter
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12/11/2012 09:36 PMPosted by Monica
Attacked? Not at all. Just clarifying that this really doesn't mean too much. It is being blown way out of proportion.


But it actually means a hole lot when compared to other classes who are told they are fine or just stonewalled with no responses whatsoever
Edited by Prieto on 12/11/2012 11:08 PM PST
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90 Pandaren Mage
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12/11/2012 11:00 PMPosted by Prieto
Attacked? Not at all. Just clarifying that this really doesn't mean too much. It is being blown way out of proportion.


But it actually means a hole lot when compared to other classes who are told they are fine or just stonewalled with no responses whatsoever


It could be because they are..or other reasons. Who knows, it's not like we get private VIP backstage time with them either.
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90 Worgen Druid
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fire mages really arent in a better place than last week, almost all dps are beating my guilds fire mage, including our boomkin.

fire mages arent really "top"anything, not top aoe, not top single target , very restricted on movement.
not sure why blizz @#$% all over this spec/class, its a shame really

from a formidable dps cannon to riding the bottom of the dps meters, seems extreme to me


wut? I'll trade you scorch for moonfire/sunfire spam any day... Your mage shouldn't lose that much dps on the move compaired to spriest or boomkin. Warlock/hunter/mage don't seem to have it bad at all on movement if you dare to compare. Even ele doesn't have it too bad while Spriest and boomkin have to recast dots and hope for RNG procs.
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90 Worgen Mage
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fire mages really arent in a better place than last week, almost all dps are beating my guilds fire mage, including our boomkin.

fire mages arent really "top"anything, not top aoe, not top single target , very restricted on movement.
not sure why blizz @#$% all over this spec/class, its a shame really

from a formidable dps cannon to riding the bottom of the dps meters, seems extreme to me


wut? I'll trade you scorch for moonfire/sunfire spam any day... Your mage shouldn't lose that much dps on the move compaired to spriest or boomkin. Warlock/hunter/mage don't seem to have it bad at all on movement if you dare to compare. Even ele doesn't have it too bad while Spriest and boomkin have to recast dots and hope for RNG procs.


Scorch is a talent, scorch is a talent most fire mages don't take.
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90 Blood Elf Mage
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12/12/2012 12:30 AMPosted by Harlach
Scorch is a talent, scorch is a talent most fire mages don't take.


According to what?
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90 Worgen Mage
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Scorch is a talent, scorch is a talent most fire mages don't take.


According to what?


Well it may have changed since the combustion nerf, but previous, the benefit of four pyros with a pom/at/combust macro was hard to beat.
Edited by Harlach on 12/12/2012 12:36 AM PST
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90 Worgen Druid
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Scorch is a talent, scorch is a talent most fire mages don't take.


According to what?


Seriously, how can he say that? Is it really debatable that most fire mages spec scorch for pve? What in the world is he basing this off of?

Edit: I went and sifted through the mage forum to find that some fire mages did take presence of mind but the majority were using scorch still. With blink and an instant like fireblast or living bomb perhaps movement isn't a big enough issue for mages on enough fights to warrent scorch. Something like lei shi's 'get away' ability would be annoying without scorch.
Edited by Stratis on 12/12/2012 1:01 AM PST
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90 Worgen Mage
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According to what?


Seriously, how can he say that? Is it really debatable that most fire mages spec scorch for pve? What in the world is he basing this off of?

Edit: I went and sifted through the mage forum to find that some fire mages did take presence of mind but the majority were using scorch still. With blink and an instant like fireblast or living bomb perhaps movement isn't a big enough issue for mages on enough fights to warrent scorch. Something like lei shi's 'get away' ability would be annoying without scorch.


I can say that because it's true, with a glyphed combustion pom is a talent that lines up with every single combust. Offering four pyros for the alter time combusts, and two pyros for the non-alter time ones. And you don't ever use inferno blast outside of heating up, and most of the time you won't need to refresh living bomb. So yes, in many cases, movement is very painful for fire mages. Scorch is an option, but its going to lower the damage potential of the spec, and what was our main cooldown (not like it matters now).

P.S. If you notice a spec with scorch/incanters ward, its either a pvp spec or a garalon spec.
Edited by Harlach on 12/12/2012 1:21 AM PST
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90 Undead Rogue
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If whining worked, rogues would be normalized
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97 Gnome Mage
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Actually my friend plays a boomkin and she noticed a substantial increase in her dps tonight.
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90 Worgen Warrior
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compare that to mages getting their issue addressed & worked on. within weeks to hunters waiting from beta where we already knew the state of our pve dps to 5.1


We got soem pretty good hunters in our guild and they do fine, the buffs have helped of coarse but BM and Survival are doing great.

Fire mages have not had the issues addressed at all, Crit scaling has been a permanent problem. There are many classes and specs with outstanding issues that should be a concern to all that have not been addressed in what could be called a timely manner.

Marksman for one could use more love as well, complaining that other classes are getting better treatment is silly, unless you are counting the massive gutter dropping nerf as better treatment.


Well, according to GC, fire mages do not have any issues at present. He thinks they are where they should be post tuesdays buff. I have heard that before. He said hunters were fine, if not a little bit high on dps right before the 4.3 release and we had to wait until the end of the Cata expansion for them to realize that hunters were NOT fine, but by then they said hunters would have to wait until the release of MoP to see their issues addressed. Let's see how long it takes for your perceived fire spec issues to be addressed.
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90 Worgen Druid
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12/12/2012 04:00 AMPosted by Magnata
Actually my friend plays a boomkin and she noticed a substantial increase in her dps tonight.


Not sure how, I'm pretty sure there hasn't been a single Moonkin change since MoP launched.
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100 Troll Hunter
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12/12/2012 12:50 AMPosted by Stratis
Something like lei shi's 'get away' ability would be annoying without scorch.

I have absolutely no problem with that phase.

/snicker

...Hide phase sucks though...
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100 Troll Mage
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12/12/2012 06:47 AMPosted by Oaklander
He said hunters were fine, if not a little bit high on dps right before the 4.3 release and we had to wait until the end of the Cata expansion for them to realize that hunters were NOT fine,


Are you trying to say Hunters were not fine in 4.3?
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90 Blood Elf Mage
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I find it funny that WW monks have been hurting for cleave since beta but Mage Cleave gets nerfed and immediately adjusted and fixed.

You can tell which classes get the priority at Blizz HQ.


Because people complain about mages constantly? The classes that get nerfed are the ones that people complain about the most, not the one that needs it the most (or if at all to begin with).
Edited by Laizhensil on 12/12/2012 7:31 AM PST
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100 Troll Hunter
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I find it funny that WW monks have been hurting for cleave since beta but Mage Cleave gets nerfed and immediately adjusted and fixed.

You can tell which classes get the priority at Blizz HQ.


Because people complain about mages constantly? The classes that get nerfed are the ones that people complain about the most, not the one that needs it the most (or if at all to begin with).


On top of that note, not every DPS spec is going to be strong in cleave fights, or even have a cleave. Hunter's haven't had a cleave since Multi-shot was turned into a true AOE.

IMO, Chimera Shot & Wild Quiver should be a cleave ability. MM needs a slight niche.
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90 Human Mage
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I find it funny that WW monks have been hurting for cleave since beta but Mage Cleave gets nerfed and immediately adjusted and fixed.

You can tell which classes get the priority at Blizz HQ.
so they buffed combustion did they? got notes on that? bumping our CM back up a tad bit and calling it a day with a 4 spread not 3 on DOTs is your idea of a cleave buff? areyou talking about trash pulls or bosses? somehow u think monks cant spinning crane kick 3+ tagets or something /boggle
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