LFR loot system is deeply flawed.

90 Orc Warrior
14340
01/16/2013 10:41 AMPosted by Terrawatt
Bad for who ...?


Bad for the people who needed gear but were outrolled by people who:
Deed the item they won, since a shard is worth far more in this game than an upgrade for someone else.
Needed on everything then used their wins to either trade or to justify their small lives by deciding who "deserved" the loot.
Needed an item for vendor, cause 25g is worth more than an upgrade for someone else.

Now you can argue all you want that you also killed the boss and deserve loot. I dont disagree, but it is very short sighted of you. Passing loot you didnt need and letting people who actually had a use for it made the player base better as a whole and future runs would go faster/smoother because of it.

This new loot may be tough if you hit a bad stretch, but it is far better than the crap in DS.
90 Pandaren Shaman
12755
01/16/2013 10:48 AMPosted by Sayne
False.


its true as much as you don't want to admit it .. the maths has already been done and Blizz have even said they are lower if only because you no longer have competition to roll against.

01/16/2013 10:52 AMPosted by Arkthan
but it is far better than the crap in DS.


we shall have to agree to disagree on that point.
Edited by Terrawatt on 1/16/2013 10:54 AM PST
90 Goblin Hunter
11845
False.


its true as much as you don't want to admit it .. the maths has already been done and Blizz have even said they are lower.


Link to Blizz saying it is lower. Also, link to this math.
Edited by Sayne on 1/16/2013 10:55 AM PST
90 Pandaren Shaman
12755


its true as much as you don't want to admit it .. the maths has already been done and Blizz have even said they are lower.


Link to Blizz saying it is lower. Also, link to this math.


I'm not doing your research for you, of course you will have the customary retort.

I'm waiting..

/taps foot
90 Goblin Hunter
11845


Link to Blizz saying it is lower. Also, link to this math.


I'm not doing your research for you, of course you will have the customary retort.

I'm waiting..

/taps foot


You are the one making the assertion it isn't 15% and until you provide a blue post and this math going to go ahead and think you are full of crap.

I'll get the blue post though, you get your links. I'm interested in seeing them.
90 Tauren Druid
13745
I'm honestly not sure what's worse: getting a bag of 28g, or getting the same gear you already have multiple times (selling it for 15g).

I run terrace every week on 2 toons.
Hunter gets the belt every week for the past 4 weeks.
Druid gets the shoulder token every week for the past 5 weeks.

Never different. Never anything more or less.

I have no idea what to think of this. Is this for real? Luck/RNG is the exact same on 2 toons for 5 straight weeks? I wish I could get a response other than "it's just RNG bro". This RNG seems flawed....
And for the record, I'm not complaining. I just find this extremely odd.
90 Pandaren Shaman
12755
It's dead to you because you don't understand the differences and similarities between the two systems. Mostly because you don't want to see them- among much else.


I can see the differences, I also understand why Blizz did what they did.

Doesn't mean I have to agree with Blizz or their decisions.
90 Pandaren Shaman
12755


I'm not doing your research for you, of course you will have the customary retort.

I'm waiting..

/taps foot


You are the one making the assertion it isn't 15% and until you provide a blue post and this math going to go ahead and think you are full of crap.

I'll get the blue post though, you get your links. I'm interested in seeing them.


/clap clap you did not disappoint

I really am impressed with your predictability.

I have to say I am impressed with both you and Qui you are both proving to be rather fun conversation partners, currently more entertaining than being logged in sitting in 2 moons.

Trade chat is far too quiet for my liking.
Edited by Terrawatt on 1/16/2013 11:01 AM PST
90 Worgen Warlock
7275
I'm honestly not sure what's worse: getting a bag of 28g, or getting the same gear you already have multiple times (selling it for 15g).

I run terrace every week on 2 toons.
Hunter gets the belt every week for the past 4 weeks.
Druid gets the shoulder token every week for the past 5 weeks.

Never different. Never anything more or less.

I have no idea what to think of this. Is this for real? Luck/RNG is the exact same on 2 toons for 5 straight weeks? I wish I could get a response other than "it's just RNG bro". This RNG seems flawed....
And for the record, I'm not complaining. I just find this extremely odd.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clustering_illusion
90 Pandaren Shaman
12755
I'm honestly not sure what's worse: getting a bag of 28g, or getting the same gear you already have multiple times (selling it for 15g).

I run terrace every week on 2 toons.
Hunter gets the belt every week for the past 4 weeks.
Druid gets the shoulder token every week for the past 5 weeks.

Never different. Never anything more or less.

I have no idea what to think of this. Is this for real? Luck/RNG is the exact same on 2 toons for 5 straight weeks? I wish I could get a response other than "it's just RNG bro". This RNG seems flawed....
And for the record, I'm not complaining. I just find this extremely odd.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clustering_illusion


I like this ...not a bad short read actually.
100 Orc Death Knight
19225
I haven't won anything yet but that's just the luck of the draw. I still think the new LFR loot system is a BIG improvement over the old one.

If you're really concerned about getting raid loot just stick with normal/heroic raids and leave LFR to us non-raiders. :)


That would be fine... except they made normals as hard as heroics in the prior tier. ... Which isn't fun either. Killing bosses and getting nothing is almost as fun as wiping for 5 months on the same boss.

If I could do LFR with my guild on 10 man, and share loot. Id be stoked. We could run with our alts, and when someone has all they need, switch in other alts. It used to be fun to gear your guilds alts... not anymore.
Edited by Concequence on 1/16/2013 11:09 AM PST
90 Human Paladin
10740
Well, I don't know. I mean, I think the new loot system is pretty fair, but there is definitely some frustration. I leveled a monk, grabbed gear to get me to 460ilvl. Run MSV LFR three weeks in a row and get no upgrades (a cloak and boots dropped, but Sha boots el oh el and had bought a VP cloak already).

Finally threw down a bunch of gold to buy some BoEs to get into HoF and Terrace. Got a weapon from Terrace, so that's nice. Still got nothing from MSV that week. Its pretty spotty on the returns.

I ran a lot of alts in DS LFR and there is no world where I would have geared this slowly there. Maybe their math shows it averages out, but it feels pretty disappointing to run through a whole raid an no gear was dropped at all. Other people may have won stuff, but there is no affirmation that they did. I'd probably feel better about it if I saw other people looting gear. Weird perhaps, but never the less.
90 Tauren Druid
13745
I'm honestly not sure what's worse: getting a bag of 28g, or getting the same gear you already have multiple times (selling it for 15g).

I run terrace every week on 2 toons.
Hunter gets the belt every week for the past 4 weeks.
Druid gets the shoulder token every week for the past 5 weeks.

Never different. Never anything more or less.

I have no idea what to think of this. Is this for real? Luck/RNG is the exact same on 2 toons for 5 straight weeks? I wish I could get a response other than "it's just RNG bro". This RNG seems flawed....
And for the record, I'm not complaining. I just find this extremely odd.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clustering_illusion


Thanks, Sheldon...
90 Troll Priest
9275
LFR is not a loot pinata. The sooner you get that in your head the better youll be.
90 Pandaren Shaman
12755
01/16/2013 11:14 AMPosted by Tempcharac
I'd probably feel better about it if I saw other people looting gear.


In LFR that can actually make you feel worse.

"Hey, I got my tier shoulders!"

"Son of a ... weeks ... all 3 coins ... nothing but gold ... FML!"


This already happens with the current system.
90 Human Paladin
10690
01/16/2013 10:23 AMPosted by Terrawatt
Obviously not the one I post on, you find the armory trolling on this one lacking ?


People tend to exaggerate. You can't blame me for wanting to fact check.
01/16/2013 11:19 AMPosted by Diirkdiggler
LFR is not a loot pinata. The sooner you get that in your head the better youll be.


You're right...it's a loot black hole. Some people have 4/4 and others like me, have nothing. 2 1/2 months. NOTHING from Lei shi and Sha of fear.

This is a problem.

Blizzard is soon to release a new tier, and I think it's sad that I can't complete the previous tier prior to it's new release.
Unless they go back to WoTLK where scenarios and heroics give JP for the "Leftover" lfr tier. I don't see myself playing much longer at this point.

If I wanted to gamble, I'd go to a casino. . . I don't need to do that in this game.
49 Human Mage
11100
Even if the drop rate was the same before the new loot system, we are winning far less loot. In the old system, people were able to pass on loot, increasing your chance of winning it. I don't know the exact percentage, but there were a number of people who passed on gear because A. they already had it or B. they had something better on. Therefore increasing your chance to win loot dramatically.

With todays system, you have to roll against the system with no outside forces or players to increase your chance of winning. Therefore, todays LFR loot is very, very hard to come by because it's just your roll against the system, there are no more players that are passing their roll to yours.

Having said that, Blizzard is increasing the winning percentage for LFR loot (or so I've heard), I don't know when though....
100 Night Elf Hunter
11885
Some people have 4/4 and others like me, have nothing. 2 1/2 months. NOTHING from Lei shi and Sha of fear.

This is a problem.



How is it a problem? You just did not get as lucky as them - yet they were able to get 4/4. So, first off, it shows that the loot DOES drop and that people DO get it.

Second - just exactly WHY do you need gear? Sure, it would be nice, but what do you think you could accomplish in this "new" gear that you can't already? You are at 478 and completing all LFR raid content. The next LFR will be 480 (they already said they were going to bring it down on the PTR). All you need to do is upgrade a piece or 2 with VP (before they remove that) and you will be good to go.

So, again, I ask you - just exactly WHY do you need "better" gear?

Also..

01/16/2013 11:58 AMPosted by Palmfist
Blizzard is soon to release a new tier, and I think it's sad that I can't complete the previous tier prior to it's new release.


You have NO IDEA how soon it will be. And you could possibly still get all 4 tier pieces before they release it. Also, once they DO release it, you will just be replacing some of that anyways.

You have a rather defeatist attitude. If you REALLY want gear SO BAD, then go join a guild and raid normals. LFR was never intended to gear you up - it was intended for people (like me) who do NOT want to raid to still be able to see what those raids looked like. I could not care less if LFR dropped loot, I would still do it. Getting loot is just a nice little bonus. If I WANT loot - as you seem to - then I would just start raiding again.
Edited by Menolie on 1/16/2013 12:33 PM PST
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