Elegon Nerfs. New protector timing?

90 Pandaren Warrior
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For certain i can say the following.
1. It is NOT number of hits
2. It is NOT amount of damage
3. It is NOT a set amount of time (unless you flat out ignore her for full 30-40 seconds then she will come out on her own)

Possible theories
1. Each hit has a chance to end "Hide!" with chance improving the higher the number of hits.
2. She in fact breaks x number of seconds after first hit, and the sequencial hits don't even matter at all.


It was ~25-31 for us tonight, so I feel like its 25 and then just some hits as shes coming up.
Edited by Ðemolition on 12/26/2012 11:34 PM PST
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90 Dwarf Death Knight
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Theory #2 is wrong, as I've seen her hit very very early, and not break for 30

as well as tonight, we had a 7 second break with only a half dozen hits, so #1 could be possible.
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90 Troll Priest
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Theory #2 is wrong, as I've seen her hit very very early, and not break for 30

as well as tonight, we had a 7 second break with only a half dozen hits, so #1 could be possible.


Same experience, I do notice that every time I have killed her across my toon she breaks out a lot quicker if people start hitting her her right away as compared to one person hitting her while the others feel the need to keep searching. from what I can assume it works something like:

1. Each hit has an X% chance to break her out while increasing the chance to break her out by 1.5%.

2. Lei Shi starts at a 0% chance to be broken out, if she is hit 10 times her chance of being broken out by damage has been increased to 15%, 9 of those attacks had a chance to break her out.

Now that I think about it, could the longer Lei Shi be hiding the more likely it is that a attack will break her out. has in gaining a 1.5% chance to be broken out every second.
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90 Orc Death Knight
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I think Blizzard is testing out the placebo effect on us. Many guilds complained that Elegon is too hard so they said they "nerfed" it and are probably expecting most people not to notice and most guilds to kill him now that they think hes been nerfed.
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90 Dwarf Death Knight
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12/27/2012 01:14 PMPosted by Sikish
I think Blizzard is testing out the placebo effect on us. Many guilds complained that Elegon is too hard so they said they "nerfed" it and are probably expecting most people not to notice and most guilds to kill him now that they think hes been nerfed.


nah, they gave very exact nerfs, that were measurable.

don't think because guilds can't kill Elegon that they're stupid.
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90 Troll Priest
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12/27/2012 03:30 PMPosted by Postonforums
I think Blizzard is testing out the placebo effect on us. Many guilds complained that Elegon is too hard so they said they "nerfed" it and are probably expecting most people not to notice and most guilds to kill him now that they think hes been nerfed.


nah, they gave very exact nerfs, that were measurable.

don't think because guilds can't kill Elegon that they're stupid.


Very true, but at this point The gear issues with elegon were removed with the ease of lfr loot, the only thing left is the mechanics of the fight.
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90 Night Elf Druid
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Is this thing nerfed yet? Or will it be after server resets?
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90 Dwarf Death Knight
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still hasnt gone live.
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90 Orc Shaman
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Did Elegon last night, first time since they mentioned the nerfs. Certainly didn't seem like any of it had gone live to us: same spawn rates and speed for everything.
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90 Night Elf Druid
RTD
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I asked a GM about this and he said the hotfix should be live because the servers restarted on "Dec 02". I think he meant "Dec 20" but it definitely does not seem like anything has changed as of last night.
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90 Orc Death Knight
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As of Tuesday (Jan 1st), it still did not seem to be any different.
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90 Draenei Death Knight
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01/03/2013 11:04 AMPosted by Grumchuck
As of Tuesday (Jan 1st), it still did not seem to be any different.


Blizzard placebo effect experiment?
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90 Blood Elf Mage
11000
Almost certainly not intentionally unimplemented, let's not start the conspiracy theories yet.
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90 Orc Death Knight
13615
One of the changes to Elegon was that the Cosmic Sparks melee for less damage. Here are some log snippets of me with no stacks of overcharged, being hit by the sparks. My gear hasn't changed much (if at all) between these two kills.

December 11, 2012:

[23:26:24.262] Unknown's Overcharged fades from Grumchuck
[23:27:01.772] Cosmic Spark hits Beltraun 3916 (A: 39213)
[23:27:05.852] Cosmic Spark hits Grumchuck 32281
[23:27:06.592] Cosmic Spark hits Grumchuck 39935
[23:27:07.842] Cosmic Spark hits Grumchuck 41903
[23:27:08.272] Cosmic Spark hits Beltraun 14336 (A: 27133)
[23:27:08.592] Cosmic Spark hits Grumchuck 42510
[23:27:10.272] Cosmic Spark hits Beltraun 43879
[23:27:10.322] Cosmic Spark hits Beltraun 44646
[23:27:11.032] Cosmic Spark hits Grumchuck 47176
[23:27:12.312] Cosmic Spark hits Beltraun 43514
[23:27:13.032] Cosmic Spark hits Grumchuck 44456
[23:27:17.872] Cosmic Spark hits Beltraun 4626 (A: 37116)
[23:27:20.052] Cosmic Spark hits Grumchuck 40046
[23:27:23.492] Cosmic Spark hits Nerft 23772 (A: 36259)
[23:27:24.752] Grumchuck afflicted by Overcharged
[23:27:28.282] Cosmic Spark hits Blaka 92835
[23:27:28.722] Grumchuck afflicted by Overcharged (2)

January 1, 2013:

[22:14:50.700] Unknown's Overcharged fades from Grumchuck
[22:15:09.900] Cosmic Spark hits Grumchuck 46451
[22:15:11.900] Cosmic Spark hits Grumchuck 39885

Later in that same fight ...

[22:18:55.600] Unknown's Overcharged fades from Grumchuck
[22:19:18.380] Cosmic Spark hits Damnedsanity 29052
[22:19:19.390] Cosmic Spark hits Grumchuck 41717
[22:19:23.390] Cosmic Spark hits Grumchuck 41456
[22:19:23.410] Cosmic Spark hits Damnedsanity 28416
[22:19:25.110] Cosmic Spark hits Damnedsanity 27910
[22:19:25.410] Cosmic Spark hits Damnedsanity 29283
[22:19:25.850] Cosmic Spark hits Venomous Snake 4008 (O: 61287)
[22:19:27.630] Cosmic Spark hits Damnedsanity 26341
[22:19:27.930] Cosmic Spark hits Damnedsanity 25145
[22:19:29.460] Cosmic Spark hits Wind Serpent 52249
[22:19:34.380] Cosmic Spark hits Damnedsanity 17619 (A: 8045)
[22:19:34.820] Cosmic Spark hits Grumchuck 46620
[22:19:35.210] Cosmic Spark hits Damnedsanity 26364
[22:19:35.920] Cosmic Spark hits Grumchuck 45250
[22:19:36.280] Cosmic Spark hits Damnedsanity 26417
[22:19:36.820] Cosmic Spark hits Grumchuck 44273
[22:19:37.990] Cosmic Spark hits Damnedsanity 26391
[22:19:38.290] Cosmic Spark hits Damnedsanity 27274
[22:19:38.420] Cosmic Spark hits Grumchuck 45362
[22:19:38.820] Cosmic Spark hits Grumchuck 46314
[22:19:39.140] Cosmic Spark hits Damnedsanity 26703
[22:19:40.190] Grumchuck afflicted by Overcharged

I'm not really seeing a difference between mid-December and this week. Side note: Damnedsanity is a druid tank .... he takes so much less damage on those, sheesh.
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90 Orc Death Knight
13615
And while we're at it, here are log snippets of when Elegon cast Materialize Protector:

December 11, 2012:

[23:20:03.501] Elegon begins to cast Materialize Protector
[23:20:39.731] Elegon begins to cast Materialize Protector
[23:23:26.052] Elegon begins to cast Materialize Protector
[23:24:01.632] Elegon begins to cast Materialize Protector
[23:24:37.242] Elegon begins to cast Materialize Protector

So the gaps between casts are: 36s, 35s, 36s

January 1, 2013:

[22:12:21.820] Elegon begins to cast Materialize Protector
[22:12:57.690] Elegon begins to cast Materialize Protector
[22:15:44.820] Elegon begins to cast Materialize Protector
[22:16:21.030] Elegon begins to cast Materialize Protector
[22:16:57.250] Elegon begins to cast Materialize Protector

Gaps between casts: 36s, 37s, 36s

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that the nerfs are not implemented.
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90 Blood Elf Death Knight
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Have the servers even been rebooted since then? I know this Tuesday my server (Moon Guard) was rebooted and down for a while, but when going to the server selection screen it was literally the only server out of 200+ that was down.

It may be a case that it has been implemented but the servers have been up for an unusually long amount of time.

My guild clears MSV tonight (and then gets back to work on Amber Shaper, yay vehicles), so if it's any different on Moon Guard because of our reboot, hopefully I'll notice.
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This specific hotfix requires realm restarts, which have not happened since it went in. The fix should be picked up with maintenance next week. Sorry about the confusion!
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90 Blood Elf Death Knight
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01/03/2013 03:56 PMPosted by Bashiok
This specific hotfix requires realm restarts, which have not happened since it went in. The fix should be picked up with maintenance next week. Sorry about the confusion!


What about servers that have been rebooted since then, like Moon Guard? Is it live there?
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90 Dwarf Warrior
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01/03/2013 03:56 PMPosted by Bashiok
This specific hotfix requires realm restarts, which have not happened since it went in. The fix should be picked up with maintenance next week. Sorry about the confusion!


Ha, I was wondering! We still destroyed Elegon this week since we were running with our core group of 10 instead of our 25 this week, but it didn't seem any different (besides the whole instance feeling like it was LFR).
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90 Blood Elf Priest
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01/03/2013 03:56 PMPosted by Bashiok
This specific hotfix requires realm restarts, which have not happened since it went in. The fix should be picked up with maintenance next week. Sorry about the confusion!


Who are you,what have you done to Drysc,and why are you wearing his face?

It's creepy.
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