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It seems I have some mana issues when I play holy. Perhaps I am so used to having rapture as my main mana return, but it feels like I OOM SO-VERY-QUICKLY as holy. Are there problems with my gear? Is there some form of hybridization I can reforge to fix my issues? Right now I am focusing on Mastery because of my disc spec. Is there anything I can do to help with my mana issssuuueeeesss.

I can't type... Should be Advice. -.-

Skip Glyph of CoH. Other than that, it's probably getting used to Holy and sticking with Inner Will more often.

What should I take instead?

Glyph of Lightwell does interact with Lightspring, so that's an option.

Other than that, it comes down to what you need. Purify can be decent if you're set to dispel often; Mass Dispel can be an asset on certain fights (assuming you don't have a Shadow Priest to play MDbot); SoR, despite leaving a bad taste in one's mouth, can be strong on some progression.

The reason I say skip it is that it goes from 8,160 to 11,016 (assuming Inner Will), or about 3k more per cast. When you're struggling to maintain your mana, that's going to add up.

I would glyph Renew, it does a very nice amount of healing and in Chakra: Serenity, you can keep it up indefinitely by refreshing it with direct heals.

I don't know too much about the stat priority, but a bit more haste would probably be good. Your spirit looks more than fine, so it's probably spell choices.

Prayer of Healing is great but you can't just mindlessly spam it. Think whether it would be more efficient to use single target heals to heal a group or Renew. If people take a hit and aren't likely to take lethal damage for some time, you're probably better off not burning your mana with PoH. Circle of Healing should make up a ton of your healing, and so replacing the glyph would save you a lot of mana. Make sure you're in the right Chakra. I like to spend my time in Chakra: Serenity when the damage isn't too extreme, and I keep Renew rolling on the tanks. When I need AoE, I swap to Sanctuary and I also use Power Infusion often, the mana it saves adds up. Pop Mindbender early on in the fight, and the off cooldown, and try to line up your Hymn of Hope with a Mindbender. And try to avoid unnecessary overhealing. You need a different mindset for Holy than Disc, because you're no longer benefiting from overheals creating Divine Aegis shields, so you can't be as proactive as a Disc Priest.

Your raid progression's a lot better than mine, so you probably know a lot of this stuff, but I thought I'd just offer some advice anyway.

SoR and Lightwell. Hmm, sounds like some good choices. :3

01/06/2013 03:10 PMPosted by Flintte

I would glyph Renew, it does a very nice amount of healing and in Chakra: Serenity, you can keep it up indefinitely by refreshing it with direct heals.

I thought so at first too, but I found it really hard to keep up the faster renews and more stressful to keep track of. I ended up swapping the glyph out 'cause I didn't like it. :/

01/06/2013 03:10 PMPosted by Flintte

Prayer of Healing is great but you can't just mindlessly spam it.

Yeah, I think you hit the nail on the head. I think I am casting WAY too much PoH. I had read on one of Twistedmind's threads that PoH is far superior to CoH and should be casted when possible. That "when possible" for me turned into ALL the time. Lol. I'll have to adjust that. I also need to do better with chakra swapping. I used to do it on Gara'jal back when I was less geared (thanks to some good advice on these forums), but I've been really spoiled with buffs to disc, so I'd kinda dumbed down on my knowledge of Holy. :p

01/06/2013 03:10 PMPosted by Flintte

Your raid progression's a lot better than mine, so you probably know a lot of this stuff, but I thought I'd just offer some advice anyway.

I'll take all the advice I can get! I appreciate it. So thank you!

01/06/2013 03:45 PMPosted by Fluffychoo

Yeah, I think you hit the nail on the head. I think I am casting WAY too much PoH. I had read on one of Twistedmind's threads that PoH is far superior to CoH and should be casted when possible. That "when possible" for me turned into ALL the time. Lol. I'll have to adjust that. I also need to do better with chakra swapping. I used to do it on Gara'jal back when I was less geared (thanks to some good advice on these forums), but I've been really spoiled with buffs to disc, so I'd kinda dumbed down on my knowledge of Holy. :p

Haha, I thought that might be the problem. Prayer of Healing's that kind of spell that you just want to spam in every situation, but it'll do quite a number on your mana if you do that. I still have to try to stop myself from spamming PoH on a group where only 2 or 3 people have taken damage, it just seems like the easy thing to do but then you find yourself out of mana.

I'm not really playing Holy right now, but my experience through the past couple expansions has been that the major adjustment issue for new holy priests is getting used to not casting all the time. Holy is the "less is more" spec.

It is true that, for instance, PoH is excellent on 3 people. It's better than anything else you could cast (except maybe glyphed Renew4? I haven't rechecked the numbers since the buffs.) But it's even more fabulous on 4 or 5 people. And you can't afford to cast it every single time 3+ people in a group are hurt.

So if you've got 3 people hurt in the same group, PoH is probably the spell you should be reaching for...but not until after you do a mental check: "do I really need to cast anything at all right now?"

Another thing to be aware of is that you really don't need to cast PoM on cooldown. That can be a sort of 'invisible' mana drain. If you pay attention to where it is and what it's doing, you can often cut back your casts significantly without actually losing any healing at all.

You also don't really need to keep Renew up all the time on tanks when you're raid healing. Yes, it's probably somewhat helpful. But chances are your tank healer has more than enough overall output. If they're struggling with spike damage, constant Renew isn't going to help...but a well-placed Flash Heal with the mana you save might save the day.

I'm just getting back into Holy myself, being Strictly Discly for healing for a while. The most prevalent change to me has been getting used to not healing people up to full (or pretty dang close to full). It's a bad habit of mine anyway, but topping off the health bars turns Echo of Light into overheal, and then what's the point of all that mastery you're working on?

The "Less is More" idea really says a lot.

I've even run into that wall mindset in disc.

With DA, unless there's huge damage coming that'll blow it away, people don't need to be topped off to full much of the time. At least, they can wait for a couple cheap heals, or in my case, smart heals from atonement.

You'd think I'd have lost that mindset in Cata but nope, I still feel like I'm slacking if those bars aren't topped up *sigh*. And I really do KNOW better, it's just forcing myself to follow through!

I've even run into that wall mindset in disc.

With DA, unless there's huge damage coming that'll blow it away, people don't need to be topped off to full much of the time. At least, they can wait for a couple cheap heals, or in my case, smart heals from atonement.

You'd think I'd have lost that mindset in Cata but nope, I still feel like I'm slacking if those bars aren't topped up *sigh*. And I really do KNOW better, it's just forcing myself to follow through!

I'm the same way, don't feel bad. Heroic content in Cataclysm taught me that I HAVE to fill those bars up, or someone's gonna die in the next high damage phase. -_-

I've even run into that wall mindset in disc.

With DA, unless there's huge damage coming that'll blow it away, people don't need to be topped off to full much of the time. At least, they can wait for a couple cheap heals, or in my case, smart heals from atonement.

You'd think I'd have lost that mindset in Cata but nope, I still feel like I'm slacking if those bars aren't topped up *sigh*. And I really do KNOW better, it's just forcing myself to follow through!

I'm the same way, don't feel bad. Heroic content in Cataclysm taught me that I HAVE to fill those bars up, or someone's gonna die in the next high damage phase. -_-

My OCD knows no bounds due to the monstrosity that was end of cata healing. unfull health bars, minor missed interrupts, screwing up even a tiny bit on a mechanic... all of them send me into hyperventilating, screaming fits.

I'll have to keep in mind that my mastery is HoT based. :p Derp.

I have another question. Is there really ever any need to cast HW: Sanctuary? It's pretty weak. :(

I'll have to keep in mind that my mastery is HoT based. :p Derp.

I have another question. Is there really ever any need to cast HW: Sanctuary? It's pretty weak. :(

As far as I know, it's only useful when you have a lot of people standing in one spot for a long time. The only fight I can think of where's the case is the first two phases of normal Feng.

I'll have to keep in mind that my mastery is HoT based. :p Derp.

I have another question. Is there really ever any need to cast HW: Sanctuary? It's pretty weak. :(

As far as I know, it's only useful when you have a lot of people standing in one spot for a long time. The only fight I can think of where's the case is the first two phases of normal Feng.

I drop it under Tsulong, because the melee are piled there and during Day Phase, it does a bit of healing to Tsulong.

I also try to find ways to use it on Sha, but I am reconsidering that approach.

12/16 Heroic 25man raider

I used to play holy exclusively. Raided for years as holy. Never cared much for disc aside from PVP.

Holy is literally worthless in 98% of the encounters. It saddens me so much because I don't particularly care for pve Disc. Just terrible mana regen.... low output... and being pigeon holed into either AOE or single target healing.... Unreal stupid.

If we use a Holy it might be on like....Tsulong for the wings in the light phase.
Disc is by far the better spec.

12/16 Heroic 25man raider

I used to play holy exclusively. Raided for years as holy. Never cared much for disc aside from PVP.

Holy is literally worthless in 98% of the encounters. It saddens me so much because I don't particularly care for pve Disc. Just terrible mana regen.... low output... and being pigeon holed into either AOE or single target healing.... Unreal stupid.

If we use a Holy it might be on like....Tsulong for the wings in the light phase.
Disc is by far the better spec.

Well the reason I'm having renewed interest in the spec (aside from my own enjoyment) is that we picked up a spriest/os disc in our raids so... Two disc in 10 man is kinda meh. Also, our other healer is a pally, so I figured on some fights it'd be good to have holy's burst healing.