You can have outstanding progress on a few nights a week, you just have to have the leadership to make the tough calls on when to skip farming for instead making progress, or calling out people on their mistakes and not being willing to accept lag and other lame !@# excuses from being the reasons.
Think of your guild as a job, would you like a job that paid you full time while only having to show up for work 9 hours? or one that requires more than 40 hours for less than full time pay. Expect more out of your people, you'll be surprised what you'll get.
Sup bro? long time no see...
... you just have to have the leadership to make the tough calls on when to skip farming for instead making progress, or calling out people on their mistakes and not being willing to accept lag and other lame !@# excuses from being the reasons.
Couldn't agree with you more... a lot of people get a certain way to do things and getting called out all of a sudden brings a lot of drama. While this is true in 99% of the raids I participate, I've much rather have a raid where people get called out on mistakes than no raid at all.
02/12/2013 08:44 AMPosted by TekillyaWhen people are more invested in something, they tend to work harder to make it succeed.
Tek... once again... right on. I've done the "new guild" thing and it works.
PuGs thou is still something that is a big hit or miss for me. We've got some very interesting characters that, for lack of a better word, are either extremely "green" to raiding or are complete a-holes. This makes you rely only on players that are already on a raiding guild and somewhat had put the effort of learning the fights and their class. Problem there is that they have their own schedule to follow too. THIS is where GMs and officers need to come together.
If 3 10-man groups from 3 different guilds are missing 1 or 2 players each, that's an easy LFR raid waiting to happen (or even a normal raid, depending obviously on what's missing). A raid leader or officer just need to voice that out and try to get an all-Uldaman group of players together for an LFR run. You could evaluate players right there.
There will be bumps in the road, that's a given... but it's a start.
I think signals got crossed. While an open PuG is beneficial IMO (as I've said before), I don't think that is the understanding we had at first. When we left the meeting, I thought the original plan was for the various guilds to group up so we could all get a feel for each other in order to potentially blend some teams (perhaps running open PuGs later)? But, then I saw you in trade.
Unless I'm the only one that's confused and that group is planned for a different time slot? Also, this run is being labeled as an Eight Bags run rather than a group effort... so, how does that work? Is each guild supposed to take turns hosting the open PuG each week? I guess I missed something, but I'm sure we can figure it out.
I think Adrac (Vanclif) was just hastily throwing something together to get the ball rolling, and leaders all have power to invite people to the raid so anyone can invite and within the next 24 hours we will have to confirm who will be going and who will not.
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