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01/18/2013 12:31 PMPosted by Tiriél

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trvwVoLtqVI

Where has this video been all my life? Lol, it's veddy amusing. It's like a summation of the circle of life in Wow.

01/18/2013 01:43 PMPosted by Fluffychoo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trvwVoLtqVI

Where has this video been all my life? Lol, it's veddy amusing. It's like a summation of the circle of life in Wow.

And now the Circle of Life is stuck in my head.

You owe me a drink, missy.

The chanting in that song sounds like "Pink pajamas, penguins on the bottom".

Go watch it on youtube and just TRY not to hear that. I DARE YOU!

We are in this thread. You purposely referenced a portion of the OP's original post, twisted the words, retyped it in caps lock gibberish-speak, and then added on the 'BECAUSE U HATE US'.

I have read numerous threads on this over the past few days and have yet to see anyone make illegible netspeak posts accusing blizzard of nerfing disc because they 'hate' us. Stop moving the goalposts and stick to the facts of what OP posted.

You cannot honestly complain about "manipulative, inaccurate, emotional" lines when you turn around and twist people's words in this way. Its dishonest.

I actually wasn't referencing his post. But it is clear that you're going to read things the way you want to read things. Fine, I am the enemy! The evil one! I have dared to ask people to be logical and reasoned, in the hopes that we will actually get listened to this time, instead of getting handed over-the-top buffs that set us up for this entire situation.

Do as you will.

You aren't the enemy, nor are you evil. We simply disagree on a forum post. Its not the end of the world. Again, the melodramatic statements are unneeded. My goodness.

If you want people to take your own comments seriously, it is silly to turn around and display the same behavior that you disparage others for. If you feel a post is inappropriate, report it. If blizzard agrees, they will remove it or move it. There is no need to sit around playing armchair moderator every time someone posts a vent or complaint about the changes.

01/18/2013 12:16 PMPosted by Zamboozle

Hm..yeah I won't use the word 'negate'. 'Completely trivialize?' Now that's another story...and the reason why I've always believed the spell should never have came to be.

Pretty much what I was trying to get at. It's incredibly powerful in 10-man, with me pretty much capping it out on everyone.

The issue is that since Blizz has to balance around the lack of a Disc Priest, unavoidable raidwide damage has to deal somewhere less than 100% of your raid's health. Since Spirit Shell caps at 60% of our health, that means reducing damage by upwards of 60%, assuming there's enough time to stack it up.

I actually wasn't referencing his post. But it is clear that you're going to read things the way you want to read things. Fine, I am the enemy! The evil one! I have dared to ask people to be logical and reasoned, in the hopes that we will actually get listened to this time, instead of getting handed over-the-top buffs that set us up for this entire situation.

Do as you will.

You aren't the enemy, nor are you evil. We simply disagree on a forum post. Its not the end of the world. Again, the melodramatic statements are unneeded. My goodness.

If you want people to take your own comments seriously, it is silly to turn around and display the same behavior that you disparage others for. If you feel a post is inappropriate, report it. If blizzard agrees, they will remove it or move it. There is no need to sit around playing armchair moderator every time someone posts a vent or complaint about the changes.

Whereas I can completely agree with what you're saying about certain people responding in a certain way at certain times- if you had a better idea of who I was you'd know how true this is- the posts in which you are replying/referring to do not in any way come across as Tiriel being emotional/melodramatic. I am the first person that would come out and say it to someone when they are, but right now, she's not. So from my PoV here, all it looks like is a scapegoat or you arguing for the sake of arguing. Just my 2 cents.

I would say didn't see that coming...

but...yeahh

You aren't the enemy, nor are you evil. We simply disagree on a forum post. Its not the end of the world. Again, the melodramatic statements are unneeded. My goodness.

If you want people to take your own comments seriously, it is silly to turn around and display the same behavior that you disparage others for. If you feel a post is inappropriate, report it. If blizzard agrees, they will remove it or move it. There is no need to sit around playing armchair moderator every time someone posts a vent or complaint about the changes.

Whereas I can completely agree with what you're saying about certain people responding in a certain way at certain times- if you had a better idea of who I was you'd know how true this is- the posts in which you are replying/referring to do not in any way come across as Tiriel being emotional/melodramatic. I am the first person that would come out and say it to someone when they are, but right now, she's not. So from my PoV here, all it looks like is a scapegoat or you arguing for the sake of arguing. Just my 2 cents.

Claiming that when someone calmly disagrees with you that they are accusing you of being 'evil', 'the enemy', or a 'traitor', while acting as if anyone who posts a venting post is doing so in broken english, caps clock, and childish netspeak is a some pretty silly hyperbole, IMO.

No one has called Tiriel any of those things in this post, nor has anyone been typing in that way or making capslock spam posts in the entire thread that I've witnessed. I criticized Tiriel's actions, not Tiriel as a person - so some of the comments they've made have come off as pretty dramatic. I'm not sure why she wants to act like I was personally attacking her and making her out to be some evil plotting traitor to priest-kind when I simply criticized the attitude present in a forum post, same as she has.

We'll have to agree to disagree.

01/18/2013 06:21 AMPosted by Fluffychoo

Not going to lie, and say I haven't got caught up in the meters at times... especially being that my class wasn't exactly the strongest this tier. I got over it, and just focused on playing the best I could with what I had. Surprisingly enough, I've done pretty well regardless, and I still love the helk outta my druid.

Not to garner any sort of flame war, but you say this while posting on a lvl 45 druid. You can't even start trolling the priests on your main. Forgive me for not taking you the least bit seriously. You sit there on your alt, stirring the pot, then have the gall to start talking about how you love the hell outta your druid. >_> Yeahokaythere!

I'm not butthurt about the disc changes. In fact, I'm excited to see how they turn out. I just hope playing isn't as frustrating as it was at the beginning of the expansion. I actually started going holy before patch notes started up because a) we had another disc in the raid and b) disc was getting boring with PoH spammage.

I don't see how I was trolling the priests... I just think it's slightly amusing that we have people freaking out over these changes that haven't even been properly tested on the PTR yet to see if it's even *that* detrimental to the class. Identical posts, over and over, complaining about changes that might not even make it to live. I'd like to see some data, before there's all this QQ.

Discipline priests have been OP for this tier, and in my opinion, some of them have become spoiled. I think a quite a few of current disc priests, are so because the class is so insanely good right now. I'm not going to be surprised at how many people quit playing one because they are no longer flavor of the month.

It's not like I'm bitter or anything... I honestly hope the class remains strong, because raiding with a disc priest has made things a lot less stressful on the healing aspect of fights this tier. I appreciate what they bring to the table, and I'd like them for them to continue to be competitive... just not miles ahead of the pack, ya know?

Anyways... I know there's going to be tons more new posts about this everyday, because that's just how the forums work. I'm not trying to stir the pot, just pointing out the current overreaction to some patch notes.

And what's wrong with loving my druid? She's a bamf, and I'm proud to play one!

Whereas I can completely agree with what you're saying about certain people responding in a certain way at certain times- if you had a better idea of who I was you'd know how true this is- the posts in which you are replying/referring to do not in any way come across as Tiriel being emotional/melodramatic. I am the first person that would come out and say it to someone when they are, but right now, she's not. So from my PoV here, all it looks like is a scapegoat or you arguing for the sake of arguing. Just my 2 cents.

Claiming that when someone calmly disagrees with you that they are accusing you of being 'evil', 'the enemy', or a 'traitor', while acting as if anyone who posts a venting post is doing so in broken english, caps clock, and childish netspeak is a some pretty silly hyperbole, IMO.

No one has called Tiriel any of those things in this post, nor has anyone been typing in that way or making capslock spam posts in the entire thread that I've witnessed. I criticized Tiriel's actions, not Tiriel as a person - so some of the comments they've made have come off as pretty dramatic. I'm not sure why she wants to act like I was personally attacking her and making her out to be some evil plotting traitor to priest-kind when I simply criticized the attitude present in a forum post, same as she has.

We'll have to agree to disagree.

Please don't be the kind of person who has to take each individual word so literally that unless the responding poster uses the exact words you did, you can go off on a tangent of "actually, I didn't say that, I said ______" when at the heart of things, they are exactly the same damn thing. Don't be like the poster you believe you're telling Tiriel not to be, because Niia, you are doing just exactly that.

Am I the only one that wants to go back to the old days of being able to shield spam again? I personally disliked having to use POH to stack divine aegis.

01/18/2013 04:04 PMPosted by Priestmedic

Am I the only one that wants to go back to the old days of being able to shield spam again? I personally disliked having to use POH to stack divine aegis.

A 25% mana reduction on PWS won't allow for shield spamming. And yes, you are the only one.

I would actually really like a genuine alternative AE healing spell. It sounds like not only are we not getting one, but that they are banking on the nerfs encouraging more holy priests and resto druids (which will probably happen, which is probably a good thing). I do wonder if they regret the whole mitigation healing model--it must be a pain trying to tune encounters for groups with and without disc. I still don't understand at all why they ever buffed rapture the way they did after buffing straight throughput as well as DA. Generally speaking, if I can do my part keeping the raid team alive, I'm fine with that, but having watched the cycles of boom and bust (minus real revision) I am concerned about that happening....until they agree things are awful for us and crazy buff us again.

Claiming that when someone calmly disagrees with you that they are accusing you of being 'evil', 'the enemy', or a 'traitor', while acting as if anyone who posts a venting post is doing so in broken english, caps clock, and childish netspeak is a some pretty silly hyperbole, IMO.

No one has called Tiriel any of those things in this post, nor has anyone been typing in that way or making capslock spam posts in the entire thread that I've witnessed. I criticized Tiriel's actions, not Tiriel as a person - so some of the comments they've made have come off as pretty dramatic. I'm not sure why she wants to act like I was personally attacking her and making her out to be some evil plotting traitor to priest-kind when I simply criticized the attitude present in a forum post, same as she has.

We'll have to agree to disagree.

Please don't be the kind of person who has to take each individual word so literally that unless the responding poster uses the exact words you did, you can go off on a tangent of "actually, I didn't say that, I said ______" when at the heart of things, they are exactly the same damn thing. Don't be like the poster you believe you're telling Tiriel not to be, because Niia, you are doing just exactly that.

So let me get this straight. OP used emotional language and hyperbole to vent about their disagreements and displeasure with the changes to disc priest. According to Tiriel, this is not okay. But when Tiriel uses equally emotional language and hyperbole when people disagree with him.. that is okay?

Its the same thing, and its pure hypocrisy. Lets at least be consistent here.

And come on now Fleurs. Calling someone a 'traitor', an 'enemy', or 'evil' over a disagreement on a video game forum is ridiculous, and if you truly think I consider someone a traitor to a class in said game simply because I disagree with how they approach people's game complaints, then you REALLY take criticism far too personally and need to take a step back.

I mean, really now. Someone calmly disagrees with you about how best to handle game complaints and you jump to the conclusion that they see you as their enemy and an evil traitor. Good lord. Say it out loud to yourself a few times, you'll realize how ridiculous it sounds.

I think y'all need to stop arguing over me, and what I think, and what I said, and what I posted. This is downright silly. Niia, you go on and keep doing whatever you want to do. You go right ahead. And Fleurs, thanks for the defense, but there are places where it's just not going to be worth the effort, and this is one of them.

Actually read what Tiriel said and stop arguing for the sake of arguing. You are not the patron saint of post etiquette Niia, and there is no point to you continuing your argument. Pretty obvious you missed her point and you already said you should just agree to disagree, /rant.

Tiriel only asked that everyone be civil when posting feedback about the changes, you're trying to make the same point, or were till you started off on this tangent.

Come on chirren, play nice.

Look at the changes before you say we are blowing it out of proportion. If you know how disc works and you've read the changes I guarantee you would agree with us. Disc was OP yes, but now we are more Underpowered then we ever were Overpowered.

I am pretty sure these changes actually make us worse than before the buffs when we were the worst healer. Possibly not, I would have to go back and make a comparison.

You were only "the worst healer" at the time because it was at the very start of the expansion when everyone was overgeared, and Disc just scaled more with gear than other healers. Had they not put any of the buffs through, Disc would have been about where it should be right now.

Actually read what Tiriel said and stop arguing for the sake of arguing. You are not the patron saint of post etiquette Niia, and there is no point to you continuing your argument. Pretty obvious you missed her point and you already said you should just agree to disagree, /rant.

Tiriel only asked that everyone be civil when posting feedback about the changes, you're trying to make the same point, or were till you started off on this tangent.

Come on chirren, play nice.

Putting words in peoples mouths, insisting others see you as some evil traitor when they calmly disagree with you, and taking the OP's rather calm post and rewording it into some muddled mess of snarky, mispelled netspeak foolishness isn't particularly civil. In fact, its rather rude.

As I said previously, it is hypocritical to accuse others of being overemotional and dramatic when you yourself make the same sorts of melodramatic statements.

Its a bit tiring to keep repeating this. One doesn't need to be the 'patron saint of post etiquette' to recognize hypocrisy. If you don't like hearing about it, you're free to skip over my posts.

People can never be objective when looking at changes let alone PTR changes.

Shields should never negate the need for healing. SS is still going to be extremely good on a one min cd. Mana return is still going to be good w/ either mindbender or PW:solace.

DA, proc'ing off PoH was too strong it was either go back to 30% or what it they'
re going to do.

I am pretty sure these changes actually make us worse than before the buffs when we were the worst healer. Possibly not, I would have to go back and make a comparison.

You were only "the worst healer" at the time because it was at the very start of the expansion when everyone was overgeared, and Disc just scaled more with gear than other healers. Had they not put any of the buffs through, Disc would have been about where it should be right now.

More or less.

The Atonement range, PoM, Cascade, and AA + SS buffs were good and needed. Disc was in a bad place and would still be in a bad place without the ability to spot heal. PoM was just too weak, Cascade is a good way to buff AoE without worrying about synergy interactions within the specs, and it was just awkward that AA and SS didn't work together.

The Rapture buff was overdone, and I think it would have been handled better as a PWS cost reduction. But something did need to be done about mana.

The PoH buff was a bad idea. It was a bandaid 'fix' to buff Holy and Disc with one button...and it had the easily predictable fallout.

The DA buff to 50% (which I can't find in the hotfix notes, but it happened) was massive overkill, especially since it was multiplicative with the PoH buff and the AA + SS fix.