Countdown queues are the problem

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01/17/2013 04:18 AMPosted by Aurellian
It appears your viewpoint is one that you will not be swayed from. Silly of me to think that you would read through the links I posted and get a handle on it from a neutral perspective.


Your perspective is ANYTHING but neutral. Mine is, i haven't had any interaction with/against premades.

GC CLEARLY CALLED IT AN EXPLOIT.

AUTOMATED queueing for standard and random battlegrounds was clearly INTENDED to be broken.

We have no problem with queuing mods. They should still work. We do not like using them to get around premade rules.

I *think* that was an unforeseen consequence of a change we had to make to prevent an exploit. We'll investigate more.

And since you missed it more than a few times:

11/30/2012 11:33 AMPosted by Daxxarri
We understand that players want to enjoy coordinated team play, and we invite those players to queue into Rated Battlegrounds or play Wargames to have that experience. Players can continue to use Addons to queue for Rated Battlegrounds as well.

^ for RATED battlegrounds.
60 Human Death Knight
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01/17/2013 04:18 AMPosted by Aurellian
Is that what's got you so mad?


What gets me "mad" is people continually spitting in the face of reason and believing they arent wrong.

You are wrong. On many levels concerning many things. And none of it is necessary.
100 Undead Warrior
13890
right. coordinated team play does not belong in the
normal battleground. can you be more out of touch?

bad rules, bad patches, and bad official positions
should not be glorified the way that's being done.

premades are not the problem. never have been.

Cheers.
Pleb.
60 Human Death Knight
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right. coordinated team play does not belong in the
normal battleground. can you be more out of touch?


So do something about it.

Other than moan like a random.
60 Human Death Knight
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Your lies and half-truths more than anything.
90 Blood Elf Paladin
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@Aurellian

You made a long post a page ago that I don't feel like quoting, about the lack of middle ground in PvP. It was an interesting read.

What would you think about this suggestion:

The current CTA BG has an alternative mode for queuing, that can only be queued into with a full group. The rewards remain exactly the same.
100 Undead Warrior
13890
So do something about it.

Other than moan like a random.


haha. like what? spreading the word? doing that. i don't
work for blizz. only connected to them through the game
so can't do anything effective from the inside. moan you
say, like a random. your all hail daxx quotes entertain, and
this was funny too. pardon, if this was not your intent.

Cheers.
Pleb.
60 Human Death Knight
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01/17/2013 04:46 AMPosted by Idaelus
The current CTA BG has an alternative mode for queuing, that can only be queued into with a full group. The rewards remain exactly the same.


Actually sounds very accomodating and viable to me.

Aurellian wont approve - he's too busy pretending no one would be interested because it's unfair. Somehow.
60 Human Death Knight
900
So do something about it.

Other than moan like a random.


haha. like what? spreading the word? doing that. i don't
work for blizz. only connected to them through the game
so can't do anything effective from the inside. moan you
say, like a random. your all hail daxx quotes entertain, and
this was funny too. pardon, if this was not your intent.

Cheers.
Pleb.


Spreading the word to the playerbase? Because i dont see you directing much of your input toward blizz.

Unless you believe that's what this is...
100 Undead Warrior
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01/17/2013 04:46 AMPosted by Idaelus
about the lack of middle ground in PvP


lack of a middle ground in the bg?

he's made some good remarks on that point.

i see this lack also but see the current normal battleground
as the middle ground. what is not there is the bottom side.
this is what the anti-premade types are wanting but don't
know how to say it. they want a place that's for them where
there is no strategy, no teamwork, no communication. this
can easily be done with a deathmatch type of battleground.
easy to do. only need one, but can give them several maps
with varied amounts of bushes, trees, boulders, maybe a
selection of huts and a few non descript walls for los'ing.

this is what they want.

Cheers.
Pleb.
60 Human Death Knight
900
Whats wrong with kotmogu in that regard, Pleb?

I see it as almost exactly that and from what feedback I've seen a lot of people hate it. I dont mind it.
100 Undead Warrior
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01/17/2013 04:59 AMPosted by Warglaive
i dont see you directing much of your input toward blizz.


that's because you're not privy to what i don't make
available to you. as to the player base, can only
reach so many, a very small fraction in fact. been
done both here and in-game. aside from what you're
not privy to 'cause it's not sent to you, there's been
plenty of input here directed towards blizz to take a
closer look these issues, and to make it right.

other'n that, not sure what you're on about.

Cheers.
Pleb.
90 Blood Elf Paladin
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01/17/2013 04:59 AMPosted by Theplebian
this is what they want.


That's a pretty broad brush to paint the anti-premaders with. Just about the same size as the premaders are all no-skillz brush.
60 Human Death Knight
900
that's because you're not privy to what i don't make available to you


Fair enough.
100 Undead Warrior
13890
Whats wrong with kotmogu in that regard, Pleb?

I see it as almost exactly that and from what feedback I've seen a lot of people hate it


i don't think you're really understanding things here,
or are just debating for the sake of the debate itself.

if this feedback is accurate, what that says to me
is that the anti-premade types won't be happy with
what they're crying for, a deathmatch type of bg.

nothing will satisfy them. they're incurable.

i happen to like it as well, as i enjoy every bg map. i've also seen
that most of these 'competitive' types enjoy that map too.

Cheers.
Pleb.
60 Human Death Knight
900
Theyre never going to get a complete deathmatch BG tho because there's no place in it for healers. Unless it's team vs. team and all that would be is a larger scale of arena. I thought Kotmogu WAS supposed to be that - incorporating as little objective as possible.
Edited by Warglaive on 1/17/2013 5:15 AM PST
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