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But, but those are completely "optional" content and thusly making it so "some" people would "have to do them" goes against everything Blizzard and many players have been saying since MoP was released.
I am currently at a 483 average 482 equipped I run LFR everyweek and only that. So saying hey hey you can go do dailys and get upgrades just to see the LFR version of this raid is redunkulous.
I see it being changed and tuned a bit lower maybe at 480-483 somewhere entrance to the raid either before or shortly after it goes live.
I'm at 482.
I'm not going to get much higher unless I can get an offhand weapon.
I've been using this heroic dungeon claw for ages now. Shek'zeer and Gara'jal both refuse to spit me out a claw.
So I'll be stuck back in T14 raid finder because of bad RNG. Because I dual wield. Yeah.
And no, I have no other options for weapons outside RNG drops.
No, I don't PvP. PvP gear in PvE is dirty anyways.
You can purchase the Klaxxi necklace at honored, which you reach just questing through the zone. A few days of dailies will even get you to revered. You can buy at least two 476 pieces of the AH or make the yourself once you get honored with GL. At honored with them you can buy a ring.
I finished the zone shortly after 90(dread wastes) and had halfway through revered with Klaxxi.
That commendation is awesome.
You can get a 496 trinket and belt with valour points, various 489 items with valour points, as well as being able to upgrade all of your 483s with valour points. There's even crafted epics available.That valor gear is ez stuff to get, and you've got plenty of time to start working on that rep.
To get to the content you want to do, you need to to the prerequisite content beforehand. You need 486 to do the Thunder King LFR, therefore you need to do the prerequisite content before you are able to do so. If that means getting off your cheeks to do some dailies or to raid normal mode, so be it.
Everything in the game is optional. Raiding in its entirety is optional. If you want to see Thunder King in LFR, you're going to do what's required to do so, because while all of the content is optional, certain things are required to succeed. An item level requirement to do LFR is one of those things.
I utterly hate heroics, but guess what? Because I like raiding, I needed to do those things to get gear. Hell, I still need to do those things to valour cap every week. Heroics are entirely optional content. Raids are entirely optional content. Because I've elected to raid, though, I am forced to do heroic five-mans. They are required. Period, end of story. Even though I hate them, I do them anyway.
It's the same sort of thing here. You've elected to raid LFR. There are certain requirements that must be met to be able to do so.
Edited by Vanarela on 1/4/2013 10:47 PM PST
90 Human Mage
2. You most assuredly do NOT get the Klaxxi neck (it's actually the ring, necklace is Golden Lotus) from just doing the normal quests. Doing just the normal quests will put you well shy of exalted (which is where those ring/necklace unlocks). And unless you plan on farming the ever living crap out of the Dread Amber Shards, you're doing dailies to reach exalted.
Umm it is a neck and it is available at Honored which is easly achievable from the normal zone quests. You can even see that it says Klaxxi - Honored on my profile...
Gotchas, I thought you meant the final quest reward that comes after you hit exalted.
Klaxxi gives a final quest which when completed, the reward is a 489 ring.
Similarly, Golden Lotus also has a final quest whose reward is a 489 necklace.
Also, you're a human and are in a level 25 guild, which means you're getting a 20% bonus to all faction turn in. Human + guild perk will put you into low honored once you complete the lead up quests to unlock the first set of dailies. Without the perks however, you do need to do some dailies to reach honored. I remember doing the calculations and it wasn't a lot, but still some was needed.
Nevertheless, two 489 items aren't going to be enough to put you over the 486 line. Even if you managed to get incredibly lucky from LFR (yeah right), you're still shy between 33 to 36 item points. That's an awful lot of valor upgrades.
So basically what is needed for T15 LFR is:
1. Get lucky on the LFR rolls (or Sha/Galleon rolls).
2. And not get dupes (I've banked more T14 LFR tokens than I've actually used).
3. Make sure to get at least to honored status with Klaxxi and Golden Lotus.
4. Spend 2500 VP on ring/neck.
5. And burn through approximately 6 to 7 weeks worth of VP on upgrading items. Assuming of course, you cap VP every week.
I won't even bother listing the notion that someone who wants to do T15 LFR should be first require to do T14 normal. The absurdity of that argument shouldn't need to be explained.
Personally, if T15 LFR stays at 486 required level, it's basically a tacit admission from Blizzard that yes, for LFR gear progression, dailies are required.
It's still completely optional.
You limiting yourself and slowing your progression down has nothing to do with that, never has, never will.
You're still very well capable of progressing solely via LFR, it just isn't at the same rate as raiders or heroic raiders... which is how it's always been, except now, you have your own little option owing to being time-strapped or whatever it is that keeps you away.
Ummm, I'm sitting on 485 (as of typing this) and I haven't so much as received one piece of normal raid gear from any 10/25 normal mode raid. The closest so that I've gotten is LFR and vendor pieces, a ring of Galleon, and some of them upgraded, 486 is reasonable in every respect. If you don't have 486 come Throne of Thunder, then you obviously need to either continue doing Normal Mogu'shan Vaults for 489 gear, LFR Heart of Fear or Terrace of Endless Spring for 483 gear, or normal Heart or Terrace for 496 gear. Blizz is not putting in a new 5 man heroic in with the patch, so the same item progression is more or less hold solid come 5.2. If you are decked out in full LFR gear and are still short, then the next logical step is HoF 10/25 normal or to use extra valor points on either rep gear or item upgrades.
Edited by Ellius on 1/8/2013 9:06 AM PST
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