No PvP BM Hunters nerfs?

100 Dwarf Hunter
17970
Apparently Hunter Arena participation isn't high enough, so Blizzard will continue to buff them by giving them "everything under the sun" until participation goes up.

Moral of the story? If you want buffs, suck in arena as much as possible.

What buffs are you talking about?
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100 Undead Death Knight
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Yeah it has been a steady stream of nerfs for bm hunters this tier, except for some quality of life changes.

Watched some frost mage completely pwn my pet in 2 globals. Pet mend or a healer wouldn't have done crap with the overkill that mage put out on the 2nd global. Killing the pet is a major possible weakness for bm hunters.

Also tons and tons of players live through hunter burst without issue now. They blow some matching defensive cd's but they live now. They weren't before.
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90 Dwarf Hunter
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Killing the pet is a major possible weakness for bm hunters.


literally saw a ret paladin (of all things) kill a bm hunters pet in 5 sec

mend pet is crap


Which is why more Hunters are beginning to swap to Marks for the higher personal contribution and sustained damage that isn't shut down by just killing the pet. Beast Mastery has very little protection on the pet after the 5.1 nerf to BW making pets no longer immune to CC and only providing a CC break. If the Hunter is forced to use BW as a pet trinket, then you still negated their next burst sequence for a minute.

Arena is just still seeing people playing Beast as the spec can piggyback hard on Arms and Feral burst. But more are making the transition over each week.
Edited by Bullettime on 1/31/2013 7:15 PM PST
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100 Night Elf Hunter
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Not all Hunters care to play MM. In fact some are actually relishing the chance to finally play BM and have it be viable.

Calling for nerfs to your own class, just because you want to play a different spec is idiotic at best and myopic at worst.

You all act like BM is so unstoppable. It's a L2P issue, plain and simple. If you are getting face rolled by a BM hunter, then you need to ask yourself why you are playing so poorly. It's not like BM is leading the pack on DPS or representation and we've already taken multiple nerfs since MOP dropped. Cry me a river.

If you like MM so much, then compensate and play as you please, but leave BM out of it thank you very much.
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90 Dwarf Hunter
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Not all Hunters care to play MM. In fact some are actually relishing the chance to finally play BM and have it be viable.

Calling for nerfs to your own class, just because you want to play a different spec is idiotic at best and myopic at worst.

You all act like BM is so unstoppable. It's a L2P issue, plain and simple. If you are getting face rolled by a BM hunter, then you need to ask yourself why you are playing so poorly. It's not like BM is leading the pack on DPS or representation and we've already taken multiple nerfs since MOP dropped. Cry me a river.

If you like MM so much, then compensate and play as you please, but leave BM out of it thank you very much.


Kinda sick of seeing this argument. The problem with Readiness being a class wide baseline reset every cooldown under the sun is that it's not healthy for long term class design. Every cooldown we ever get is balanced around being reset. Our optimal PvE cycles are balanced around resetting cooldowns every possible chance.

They could easily make Readiness only affect defensive tools and boost the power of the offensive cooldowns to compensate, such as reducing the cooldown on Murder of Crows/Lynx Rush, increasing the duration of Dire Beast, etc for the same net PvE damage with less of the button mashing hassle. It also returns Readiness to it's former role of being the "playmaker" button to pull some clutch CC out of your !@#.

It would also allow them to give Bestial Wrath the pet CC immunity back as Bestial Wrath will no longer be balanced around lasting 20 seconds like it is now and is why Bestial Wrath got nerfed in 5.1 to the point that it only really works when paired with an Arms or Feral to blow someone up in a couple seconds from a combined burst window. Beast Mastery took a hefty nerf in 5.1 solely because of Readiness.
Edited by Bullettime on 1/31/2013 10:01 PM PST
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100 Orc Shaman
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Thing is most people don't even enjoy BM.

Marks and Surv are much more enjoyable specs to actually play.
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100 Dwarf Hunter
17970
Thing is most people don't even enjoy BM.

Marks and Surv are much more enjoyable specs to actually play.

That's mainly because you don't have to deal with an NPC for the majority of your damage as well as CCs and defensive abilities.
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90 Dwarf Hunter
16315
Yeah..pet AI is about as good as raised corpses in Skyrim...
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90 Blood Elf Priest
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Apparently Hunter Arena participation isn't high enough, so Blizzard will continue to buff them by giving them "everything under the sun" until participation goes up.

Moral of the story? If you want buffs, suck in arena as much as possible.


actually the moral of the story is, if you want buffs stop playing your class. im fairly sure most Spriests will change classes in 5.2
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Hunters aren't really that OP except in low MMR 2s and KFC.

Jungle Cleave you just need to man handle the kitty and the team flops.
PHDk... It's a DK... Enough said.

Hunter's really don't have any other teams because they aren't a strong class, they just have good healer CC which doesn't work well with casters, and on constant pressure from the pet and them being a ranged melee class.

I mean... Really once warriors are toned down hunter representation will drop greatly. The two classes currently work too good together, the hunter can play perfectly defensive without people swapping and killing the warrior too fast because warriors are tanks along with the warrior's insane damage prevents teams from encroaching too far onto the hunter's territory. That's why KFC is so good. Stupid amounts of damage and amazing defensive capabilities.
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90 Orc Hunter
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Readiness was/is only part of the problem, Rabid and Lynix Rush in their original forms was the main damage along with the Stampede bug. And the fact that you could stack rabid and lynix rush into a macro gave you another dps cooldown that almost matched up.
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90 Human Death Knight
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Uhh why do Bm hunters need a nerf?
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90 Blood Elf Paladin
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01/31/2013 07:10 PMPosted by Thugangel
Killing the pet is a major possible weakness for bm hunters.


literally saw a ret paladin (of all things) kill a bm hunters pet in 5 sec

mend pet is crap


Was that with cds? I can't kill pets that fast or in a time frame I consider fast enough that a hunter would be doing substantial damage to me in the meantime.

They have phoenix, exhilaration, dismiss and continue to manage just fine in arenas.
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90 Blood Elf Paladin
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02/01/2013 02:33 AMPosted by Keblur
Uhh why do Bm hunters need a nerf?

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100 Dwarf Hunter
17970
02/01/2013 03:13 AMPosted by Hafleur
Uhh why do Bm hunters need a nerf?

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Because of their super OP burst right?! Have you been reading what bulletime is saying?
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100 Night Elf Hunter
6880
Not all Hunters care to play MM. In fact some are actually relishing the chance to finally play BM and have it be viable.

Calling for nerfs to your own class, just because you want to play a different spec is idiotic at best and myopic at worst.

You all act like BM is so unstoppable. It's a L2P issue, plain and simple. If you are getting face rolled by a BM hunter, then you need to ask yourself why you are playing so poorly. It's not like BM is leading the pack on DPS or representation and we've already taken multiple nerfs since MOP dropped. Cry me a river.

If you like MM so much, then compensate and play as you please, but leave BM out of it thank you very much.


Kinda sick of seeing this argument. The problem with Readiness being a class wide baseline reset every cooldown under the sun is that it's not healthy for long term class design. Every cooldown we ever get is balanced around being reset. Our optimal PvE cycles are balanced around resetting cooldowns every possible chance.

They could easily make Readiness only affect defensive tools and boost the power of the offensive cooldowns to compensate, such as reducing the cooldown on Murder of Crows/Lynx Rush, increasing the duration of Dire Beast, etc for the same net PvE damage with less of the button mashing hassle. It also returns Readiness to it's former role of being the "playmaker" button to pull some clutch CC out of your !@#.

It would also allow them to give Bestial Wrath the pet CC immunity back as Bestial Wrath will no longer be balanced around lasting 20 seconds like it is now and is why Bestial Wrath got nerfed in 5.1 to the point that it only really works when paired with an Arms or Feral to blow someone up in a couple seconds from a combined burst window. Beast Mastery took a hefty nerf in 5.1 solely because of Readiness.


Look, we get that you are not a fan of the BM spec. But until you realize that you are not the voice for the entire Hunter community this discussion will not advance.

You have a specific agenda to your commentary (you want to force MM play) that is clear as day. Please argue for your spec of choice without gutting mine.

Taking away readiness essentially removes our ability to sustain pressure, since our stand alone DPS is meh. Try killing a warrior without using readiness. Not. Going. To. Happen.

If people are soooo freaked out by Stampede maybe they should look at the actual damage that they are sustaining. It's hardly OP. It's more panic inducing than actually harmful AND it can be CC'd pretty easily. l2p and its solved.

BM is fine thank you very much.
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