So we are killing for War crimes?

86 Blood Elf Death Knight
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When honestly both sides have done war crimes. GG blizzard.
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90 Orc Warlock
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Your topic accidentally a name.
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90 Human Rogue
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02/01/2013 06:47 AMPosted by Darmonic
When honestly both sides have done war crimes. GG blizzard.

If we were killing for war crimes then Sylvanas would have her head on the chopping block as well. Blizzard is using the "war crimes" excuse to pin all the blame for the war on Garrosh giving the Horde a free pass.
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100 Troll Hunter
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I thought I would get to this thread before the whining...

But yeah. Both sides pretty much suck. The only faction I'm confident in is what we've seen of the Rebellion so far. Hopefully, it won't include Sylvanas.
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90 Night Elf Warrior
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We will have to execute the greatest War criminal. The genocidal Player character.
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25 Blood Elf Paladin
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02/01/2013 06:47 AMPosted by Darmonic
When honestly both sides have done war crimes. GG blizzard.


The Alliance has not committed a single war crime in this war, with the sole exception of that mindblowingly dumb Goblin intro that was never mentioned again.
Edited by Vyrin on 2/1/2013 10:47 AM PST
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100 Blood Elf Warlock
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02/01/2013 10:46 AMPosted by Vyrin
When honestly both sides have done war crimes. GG blizzard.


The Alliance has not committed a single war crime in this war, with the sole exception of that mindblowingly dumb Goblin intro that was never mentioned again.


*cough* Jaina Proudmoore attempted genocide *cough*
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02/01/2013 11:26 AMPosted by Kelisaria
*cough* Jaina Proudmoore attempted genocide *cough*


Jaina =/= the Alliance, just like Garrosh =/= the Horde.
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02/01/2013 11:37 AMPosted by Fylane
*cough* Jaina Proudmoore attempted genocide *cough*


Jaina =/= the Alliance, just like Garrosh =/= the Horde.

If the Blood Elf means the tidal wave that Jaina conjured, then how do we consider it a war crime if it did not kill anybody.

Unless they meant to say that it was a war crime against kraken.
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90 Goblin Mage
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"War Crime" is such a subjective term when used in certain contexts. Such as Theramore. It was a valid military target, staging area against Horde in South Barrens, so taking it out was a perfectly legit move to make. Applying the words "War Crime" to that is nothing more than a motivator for Alliance troops to get angry.
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02/01/2013 11:26 AMPosted by Kelisaria
*cough* Jaina Proudmoore attempted genocide *cough*


Jaina attempted to retaliate against the Horde's deployment of weapons of mass destruction with one of her own.
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02/01/2013 11:44 AMPosted by Jetzeppelin
"War Crime" is such a subjective term when used in certain contexts. Such as Theramore. It was a valid military target, staging area against Horde in South Barrens, so taking it out was a perfectly legit move to make. Applying the words "War Crime" to that is nothing more than a motivator for Alliance troops to get angry.


Taking it out made sense, yes, but the means to do so were wrong.

Either way, let's not make this a Theramore thread?
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100 Blood Elf Warlock
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"War Crime" is such a subjective term when used in certain contexts. Such as Theramore. It was a valid military target, staging area against Horde in South Barrens, so taking it out was a perfectly legit move to make. Applying the words "War Crime" to that is nothing more than a motivator for Alliance troops to get angry.


Taking it out made sense, yes, but the means to do so were wrong.

Either way, let's not make this a Theramore thread?


I've always hated this line of reasoning. Why are WMDs bad, again? All they do is kill the enemy more efficiently with one bomb, rather than one thousand. The only thing I find tragic about Theramore were all the Horde lives Garrosh threw away to trick the Alliance.

*cough* Jaina Proudmoore attempted genocide *cough*


Jaina attempted to retaliate against the Horde's deployment of weapons of mass destruction with one of her own.


"Retaliate" is such a good whitewash for attempted mass genocide.
Edited by Kelisaria on 2/1/2013 12:02 PM PST
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02/01/2013 12:00 PMPosted by Kelisaria
"Retaliate" is such a good whitewash for attempted mass genocide.


A) The phrase "mass genocide" is redundant and just goes to show how you're using the word for emotional appeal rather than its actual meaning.

B) Look up cold war strategies. Massive retaliation is what second-strike doctrine is all about.

C) You said this RIGHT AFTER justifying the deployment of WMD's. Are you being intentionally hypocritical?
Edited by Vyrin on 2/1/2013 12:02 PM PST
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90 Human Mage
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I've always hated this line of reasoning. Why are WMDs bad, again? All they do is kill the enemy more efficiently with one bomb, rather than one thousand.


The same reason why it's bad on Earth.

"Retaliate" is such a good whitewash for attempted mass genocide.


DO NOT START Blood Elf. All you are doing is demonizing Jaina. Knock it off.
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90 Night Elf Death Knight
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02/01/2013 12:01 PMPosted by Valius
DO NOT START Blood Elf. All you are doing is demonizing Jaina. Knock it off.


No I disagree. She can state her opinion of Jaina all she wants. Jaina was in the wrong, and it took Kalec and Thrall to stop her. She would have gone through with it if they hadn't.

So stop it, human. All you're doing is being over protective of the your crush.

Either way, Weapons of Mass Destruction are not okay to use in War. I'm okay that he took out Theramore, it was a military target, but why did he have to use a mana bomb when he could have just brought more siege?
Edited by Fylane on 2/1/2013 12:12 PM PST
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100 Blood Elf Warlock
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02/01/2013 12:01 PMPosted by Vyrin
"Retaliate" is such a good whitewash for attempted mass genocide.


A) The phrase "mass genocide" is redundant and just goes to show how you're using the word for emotional appeal rather than its actual meaning.

B) Look up cold war strategies. Massive retaliation is what second-strike doctrine is all about.

C) You said this RIGHT AFTER justifying the deployment of WMD's. Are you being intentionally hypocritical?


A: Emotional appeal notwithstanding, Jaina did attempt genocide, seeing as almost all the Orcs were right there in Orgrimmar. Rather conveniant way to simply snuff the whole lot of them, rather than just targeting Horde military sites, or specific parts of Orgrimmar, don't you think?

B: The Cold War was immensely idiotic. Wiping out the entire human species just because of a single bomb being dropped is all kinds moronic.

C: There is a difference between taking out a military target and wiping out an entire species because of butthurt.

02/01/2013 12:01 PMPosted by Valius
I've always hated this line of reasoning. Why are WMDs bad, again? All they do is kill the enemy more efficiently with one bomb, rather than one thousand.


The same reason why it's bad on Earth.

"Retaliate" is such a good whitewash for attempted mass genocide.


DO NOT START Blood Elf. All you are doing is demonizing Jaina. Knock it off.


"DO NOT START"? She deserves to be demonized, as she attempted the only real Alliance-side warcrime.
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90 Human Mage
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DO NOT START Blood Elf. All you are doing is demonizing Jaina. Knock it off.


No I disagree. She can state her opinion of Jaina all she wants. Jaina was in the wrong, and it took Kalec and Thrall to stop her. She would have gone through with it if they hadn't.

So stop it, human. All you're doing is being over protective of the your crush.

Either way, Weapons of Mass Destruction are not okay to use in War. I'm okay that he took out Theramore, it was a military target, but why did he have to use a mana bomb when he could have just brought more siege?


Has nothing to do with Crush. I know what she did and I didn't like it either but demonizing her further then she already is stupid and unnecessary.

"DO NOT START"? She deserves to be demonized, as she attempted the only real Alliance-side warcrime.


No she doesn't. We already did this thread over and over again. Jaina doesn't need to be demonized anymore then say Lor'themar does.
Edited by Valius on 2/1/2013 12:16 PM PST
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100 Blood Elf Paladin
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02/01/2013 10:46 AMPosted by Vyrin
The Alliance has not committed a single war crime in this war, with the sole exception of that mindblowingly dumb Goblin intro that was never mentioned again.


Just because you didn't like it, that doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Hell, the Alliance attack was basically the entire reason the Goblins joined the Horde. (Mostly, anyway)
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25 Blood Elf Paladin
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02/01/2013 12:16 PMPosted by Veloran
Just because you didn't like it, that doesn't mean it didn't happen.


It did happen, but it occupies a dubious spot in the canon where not only was it phenomenally out of character but no explanation for it is offered.

A: Emotional appeal notwithstanding, Jaina did attempt genocide, seeing as almost all the Orcs were right there in Orgrimmar. Rather conveniant way to simply snuff the whole lot of them, rather than just targeting Horde military sites, or specific parts of Orgrimmar, don't you think?

B: The Cold War was immensely idiotic. Wiping out the entire human species just because of a single bomb being dropped is all kinds moronic.

C: There is a difference between taking out a military target and wiping out an entire species because of butthurt.


A) Er, what? Are you claiming that every single Orc was in Orgrimmar? That's insane. The deployment of a weapon of mass destruction isn't automatically genocidal just because it causes mass destruction.

B) You don't understand the Cold War at all.

C) Jaina never came close to wiping out an entire species nor was it ever her goal to wipe out an entire species. Her goal was to do to the Horde what the Horde did to her. Which she should have done. If someone uses a weapon of mass destruction on you then you're well within your rights to respond in kind.
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