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Thread seems to have died! This past weekend we ran 2 pug raids (one ten and the other 25 man of msv) and there were some decent players who were glad to get to raid. It seems we have players but they need experience. I am willing to do what I can but need help! Will this save the server? Of course not, but it's a step in the right direction. I welcome any and all help! Lets do more than talk!!
This is what happened to us. Some of you ally might remember me, I was the raid leader and Co-GM for Renascentia during Wrath. When the last summer before Cata rolled around we had our usual seasonal attrition...people want to be outside and so on. We started recruiting and it became painfully obvious that we would be unable to continue raiding at the standard we set for ourselves with the quality of the recruits we were getting. Our last 25 man raid we brought a recruit in and it was literally the best option we had, and they were so bad we quit because it was a sign of what was coming.
We left and made a 10 man on Sargeras and the difference is night and day. The AH, pugging, overall quality of play is very, very different. The only reason we are back is a few of us decided to go casual and we have friends in Blow Pony. My group doesnt play enough for all those things to be a huge deal. But for any serious raiding guild, especially a 25 Zulu is very, very tough sledding. I don't know how Faded did it as long as they did.
The nuts and bolts of this is the server won't change until the people here change. If you want to have more high level action (pugs, good quality raid guilds, pvp) they players here have to adopt a more independent attitude. One hallmark I saw in my time here is there is a large chunk of players who are waiting for someone to tell them how to be better, or what to do. Hard core raiders loathe this. By and large (there's exceptions) they don't want to assemble a pug and teach everyone the fights, or what rotation to use. There's a whole giant internet out there for that.
Until more players here hold themselves accountable to be better, you won't attract and keep serious players. You can call me an elitist and say the better players should want to teach and help everyone, but the evidence here of them constantly leaving says they don't.
It boils down to a player mindset that is very hard to find here if you're trying to recruit and run a progression guild.
The difference between Zuluhed and Sargeras is simple--numbers. When you have greater numbers you have greater opportunites. When you have greater numbers you have more leaders, more teachers, and more players--hence better overall play.
Ask for people to discuss what the issue is, and then bluntly deny the thoughts of the people who are seeing the issue from the top down?
feed this nidoubleger some more troll meat. i for one am leaving, i was built horde tough when i started playing this game. irl friends moving around got me here, only to be abandoned and now i'm glad i'm leaving. your best bet is to cut ties if your a real pvp'er. nothing is here.Buh bye scrubby 1600 paladin buh bye!
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