New Seal of Justice change

85 Draenei Shaman
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Snares aren't really that important for us tbh. No class can effectively kite a ret because of our ranged attacks and freedoms.

Still think they could have went a different way with SoJ though.
I hope you're joking... as a melee class snares are always important...
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90 Blood Elf Paladin
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02/10/2013 04:21 AMPosted by Invincible
Snares aren't really that important for us tbh. No class can effectively kite a ret because of our ranged attacks and freedoms.

Think for a second. Snares are needed for peels and other such stuff, not just for staying on target.
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1 Draenei Priest
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I'd actually like to see it the Old Judgement of Justice effect coming back for Retribution, with BoG being it's upgrade. While not a snare, it should help mitigate the loss of Seal of Justice's snare, especially against the classes we'll have no real way of catching... like druids and the like.
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90 Human Paladin
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The HELL with Seal of Justice.

I want them to seriously consider giving Rets something besides flippin' Wrath from Symbiosis.

Anyone needing a snare in PvP isn't doing arenas, they are doing BGs. If you want any reasonable chance, you're going to be with a Mage/Rogue/Spriest/Feral/Warrior, and there's your snares.

I'll agree, in BGs, it could have its uses, but FoJ is just way better. You can get by just fine with LaoTL and good positioning. Any Ret that chases enemies is going to die anyway, unless you completely outgear them.

You shouldn't ever be chasing and needing a snare that bad, the entire strength of Ret is in the close range. LoS stuff.
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85 Draenei Shaman
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02/10/2013 05:19 AMPosted by Invincible
Snares are needed for peels


Rets don't peel.
I just laughed irl. Nobody would ever group with a ret if they couldn't peel, and yes snaring someone is part of peeling.
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90 Blood Elf Paladin
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02/10/2013 05:19 AMPosted by Invincible
Snares are needed for peels


Rets don't peel.

Rets dont get RBG invites
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90 Human Paladin
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Is there anything in the tooltip that suggests the TV consumes the charges? It looks like it doesn't, which is pretty cool.

I think we need the SoJ slow and the damage buff. Remove BoG and replace it with something useful. How about Cleanse+1, your cleanse now removes one magic effect in addition to its current effects and its cooldown is increased to 30 seconds.

That way you choose between a CC, a reduced stun duration, or a magic cleanse. All very useful options. Rets retain their slow via SoJ, which becomes the go-to seal of pvp since it now gives damage and a slow.
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90 Human Paladin
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Hes actually right rets don't peel and the slow loss vs controlled burst I think burst will end up being better.
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90 Blood Elf Paladin
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02/10/2013 01:00 PMPosted by Paladinww
Hes actually right rets don't peel and the slow loss vs controlled burst I think burst will end up being better.

You're confusing "can't" and "don't". Peeling has been quite possible since 5.0.
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90 Human Paladin
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A 2min blind cd and a 30sec cd stun ( with talent) both dispelable when compared to a wars peeling ability you can say frankly we can't peel "effectively".
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90 Blood Elf Paladin
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02/10/2013 01:00 PMPosted by Paladinww
Hes actually right rets don't peel and the slow loss vs controlled burst I think burst will end up being better.

I've been messing around with Ret-warlock 3's (hoping to try it next season) and I peel from him all the time with SoJ and Freedom. I really don't want to be forced into BoG because FoJ is much better.
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85 Draenei Shaman
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02/10/2013 01:00 PMPosted by Paladinww
Hes actually right rets don't peel and the slow loss vs controlled burst I think burst will end up being better.
Rets used to peel with huge selfless healer WoGs. You now have snare/hoj/bop to peel.
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90 Human Paladin
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Depends on comp but you should be running with classes that have a reliable snare anyway or some form of peels.
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90 Blood Elf Paladin
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02/10/2013 01:12 PMPosted by Paladinww
Depends on comp but you should be running with classes that have a reliable snare anyway or some form of peels.

Oh, he's right, guys. We're so silly for wanting some variety in viable comps. Back to your melee cleaves, everybody.
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90 Human Paladin
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frost mages say hi
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90 Blood Elf Paladin
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02/10/2013 01:46 PMPosted by Paladinww
frost mages say hi

Frost Mage isn't as good as it used to be with movement impairing effects. Anyway, Elidra's right that Ret should be able to play 3's with casters (plural). The new SoJ sounds cool, but we need some sort of baseline snare. Ret should move towards better synergy with casters, not away from it.
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90 Human Paladin
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Ran with a frost mage worked fine but he quit after frost bomb nerf.
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