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Balanced Random Battlegrounds.
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Why don't they set it up so that both teams have the same amount of healers and/or tanks? Seriously makes no sense
inb4: longer wait times please stop qqing thanks. |
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because its not needed and will only dramatically increase q times
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It does if the oQueue/premade community is right. Perhaps Blizz's strategy *is* to force us out of the game, by making it so disgusting for the solo player that we just leave. It is a possiblity with some statistical support... |
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it's pretty needed. |
90 Undead Mage
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It does if the oQueue/premade community is right. Perhaps Blizz's strategy *is* to force us out of the game, by making it so disgusting for the solo player that we just leave. It is a possiblity with some statistical support...Well if there were less bots, awful players & players ignoring objectives to "have fun" there wouldn't have been any need for premades, so who's fault is it again? As for the OP's request:
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oh wow, people with sense DO exist in forums. thank you for restoring my faith |
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90 Undead Mage
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So disagreeing with you means we lack sense? Amazing. |
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Edited by Piñata on 2/11/13 9:02 AM (PST)
I don't bot, and I do try very hard to keep my drones alive so that they can succeed. Their survival is my survival. I don't know who you want to blame it on, but if you try to blame it on me, I will be a bit annoyed. I should not have to choose to premake a group. There is nothing immoral in my choice to try very hard indeed to play in a group of random composition. So, you tell me, and I dare you to try to make the case that it's my fault, as that question so often means when the connotation is applied. |
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90 Undead Mage
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The minority of competent solo players actually trying to win are unfortunately caught in the crossfire and become collateral damage. They either have useless teammates (the bots, bads and/or players ignoring objectives) and/or are faced against (usually) a partial premade and (occasionally) a near full premade.
So if you are a competent solo player no you are not the problem... the problem is the useless teammates that have pushed players like me to not want them on my team because they are simply wasting my time. I strongly suggest that you join 5 man premades if you want to keep your blood pressure at a reasonable level. |
That seems to be what everyone says, yes. I think I will rather give up the game to a large degree, as I already have, and focus more on CoD. Blizz and it's target demographic will get what it wants. If Blizz thinks that solo players are a large enough demographic to service, which there is also statistical support for, in how they have handled certain nerfs, then I will do fine as is. If the other side is right, which is also possible, I will be forced out. I will be damned if I let Blizz or other players tell me how to play, however. Leaving permanently is preferable. I happen to think that the majority of non-forum-posters, which are in fact, the majority of wow players, make their votes heard by cancellation. Only a few of us need stick around to speak. I do not like the idea of stacking the deck. Not one damned bit. I like the challenge of having a random comp, and dealing with what we have. If we faced such, the matches would be fun, but due to the gear grind, we face you, instead. I can't imagine it's much fun for you, either, except for that carrot you want so badly, points. Collapse the gear, which Blizz seems to be doing next patch, and we are in a fairly decent position again. Blizz is the Charlie Brown of the MMO community. Wishy-washy. Maybe they'll make a decision soon, so we can be relieved or disgusted, fully. |
roles don't win bgs, players do good dps has more impact then good healing bad healing has more impact then bad dps random bgs are filled with bad dps outside the bot/leechers ect problem in randoms, increasing the que time so you can find a new excuse as to why you lose isn't needed. |
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90 Undead Mage
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If Blizz thinks that solo players are a large enough demographic to service, which there is also statistical support for, in how they have handled certain nerfs, then I will do fine as is. If the other side is right, which is also possible, I will be forced out.Blizzard can't and shouldn't balance PvP on poor play, which is essentially what you are asking for. If the average solo player is either bad or ignores objectives to farm HKs and "have fun" how can you balance that? Make healers super easy to kill? Set it up so that both teams have the same amount of healers and/or tanks, as the OP suggested? This would make queue times ridiculous & since even less players would queue up as healers queue times would go from ridiculous to stupid. It is easy to say "I want balance" but when you actually do some analysis and critical thinking it is easy to see that such a request would probably make BGs worse, not better. Moreover usually when I am on a losing team it is not because we lack healers and/or are outgeared, it is because nobody is focusing targets & most of my teammates are not trying to win (e.g. fighting in mid far away from the EFC). |
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Edited by Piñata on 2/11/13 9:39 AM (PST)
Yes, they did.
Honestly, I'm just asking for a chance. I'm not going to get it. Do you think I'm ignorant or something, that I don't see the bots, and the idiots farming in the middle? I see them, Fae. I just can't do anything about it, except perform my role as best I can. I don't like a stacked deck with an easy win. I don't like being pounded by people on voice chat with cc coordination on top of existing heal nerfs making the game a forgone conclusion. I feel cheated, no matter which path I take, to be honest. That position carries with it some truth. If I pug, I am cheated by bots and people who don't care. If I join a premade, I gain what is usually an easy victory, but again cheated by circumstance into having to choose this option. In either case, the game loses any real entertainment value. One is a near-guaranteed loss, the other the exact opposite, a near-guaranteed win.
Boring, and I don't even care about Q times. I already wait 45 mins on average, to play just two matches before I get to bed.
Balance... That means so many things. What I want is even more nebulous. Simply a fair chance - which is why I wanted pug usable voice chat in other threads. You say others won't use it. Great. No matter what I come up with, it won't work, thanks to people who, for some reason, pay, even though they don't want to play. I do not know how to solve such an illogical problem. It makes no sense to me, and so I assume it is some sort of psychological malady of the latest generation of players, and just let it go at that. I don't mind mysteries; life is full of them. we lack healers and/or are outgeared, it is because nobody is focusing targets & most of my teammates are not trying to win (e.g. fighting in mid far away from the EFC). Perhaps so. How is that solved? |
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I'm sorry but setting roles would make BGs a bit boring (more than they already are that is). If you want set roles, go do dungeons/raids/rbgs/etc. Randoms are randoms. TBH, I love beating a team where they have more healers. Shows the quitters from the beginning, who say "just let them win", what's up.
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90 Undead Mage
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Pinata my whole point is that the real issue is not game mechanics, but poor play. Players like the OP are just looking for an excuse... I absolutely guarantee you that the DPS in his BGs were bad... it probably had nothing to do with the lack of heals. Instead of properly analyzing the problem (which is usually poor DPS) players like the OP want Blizzard to "balance" BGs. Like you said balance is such a vague term and means different things to different players.
I take pride in the fact that I beat better geared teams with more healers on an almost daily basis. Yes I am in a 5 man on vent, but often times my teammates have an item level around 460-465 (basically full dreadful with maybe 1-2 malev). My point is that teamwork is much more important than gear and/or heals... sure having good gear & about 30% healers are great, but if you don't you can still win. |
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90 Undead Mage
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Yea proper paragraphs are a "wall of text". You are a complete moron. You are also probably coming off a forum ban for the absolute nonsense that you were posting last week. Class act buddy. |
