Blizzard- Random Bg Premades need to end!

90 Blood Elf Paladin
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02/23/2013 02:50 PMPosted by Piñata
of course, you're a socialist. you pray for the downfall of any successful company.


Do you truly believe that? I've seen more, and contributed more, to your lifestyle, be it in the internet, the development of unix-derived codebase servers, theological debate aside, than anyone I can think of, with the exception of Bill Joy or Richard Stallman. At least they agree with the GNU copyright. I prefer the BSD. I will let you take my work, and make money on it, which I have seen happen. They won't. Who is the socialist?

They are brilliant developers, but they're not theologians, or humanitarians. Nevertheless, when I see what they have created, I stand in awe and respect. What do you have against the 'socialsts?'


Don't bring up gun control.
90 Tauren Death Knight
7100
There you go again, equating people who don't queue in full premades with bots. There are no solo queuers, there are no 2-5 person parties, there are only you guys, and the bots. I guess that makes it easier for you to tell yourself that it doesn't matter how stupidly easy your games are: you're not cheating against 'real' people!

i'm sorry.... should i have typed (premade + solos) v (premade + solos)? i described this many moons ago, and i believe you were raging on the threads at the time.

the solos would be people as blizz would weight the sorting.. insuring people over bots.

02/23/2013 02:43 PMPosted by Cylthia
And that design changed, and you know it.

yes, it changed as there was no way to compete with large guilds. now there is. the original change, which brought us bg-bots and welfare-honor-farmers, is no longer necessary

02/23/2013 02:43 PMPosted by Cylthia
You decided you didn't like the competitive games,

i'm sorry, did i miss the 'competitive game' AV option?

02/23/2013 02:43 PMPosted by Cylthia
Yeah, they're facerolls instead.

show us on the doll where the bad premade touched you

02/23/2013 02:43 PMPosted by Cylthia
But the world doesn't revolve around you.

but for some reason, it revolves around you

02/23/2013 02:43 PMPosted by Cylthia
Blizzard is not currently able to provide full-premade-vs-full-premade AV games.

i've never suggested full premades (read above). i never run full premades. i always run about 90% premade, the rest being random pugs.

02/23/2013 02:43 PMPosted by Cylthia
That doesn't mean that you're entitled to play against pugs instead.

yet for some reason you're entitled to force me to group with and carry bots and bads?

yea, i don't think so.
90 Blood Elf Paladin
14285
Somewhat confused, here. Those two people, aside from any others I can think of, have made the free, open availability of information more possible than anyone else. They are 'socialist.'

I guess socialist isn't so bad.


I was making a joke about Tiny Tim.
90 Tauren Death Knight
7100
Do you truly believe that? I've seen more, and contributed more, to your lifestyle, be it in the internet, the development of unix-derived codebase servers, theological debate aside, than anyone I can think of, with the exception of Bill Joy or Richard Stallman. At least they agree with the GNU copyright. I prefer the BSD. I will let you take my work, and make money on it, which I have seen happen. They won't. Who is the socialist?

They are brilliant developers, but they're not theologians, or humanitarians. Nevertheless, when I see what they have created, I stand in awe and respect. What do you have against the 'socialsts?'

did you make light as well and the fruit on the trees, he who will remain nameless yet the creator of all?
/bow
/hurl

as for what i have against socialists, everything. their very belief system is broken and rots every society that goes down that road (rates depend on the capitalist momentum they had prior to going brain dead)
90 Tauren Death Knight
7100
Somewhat confused, here. Those two people, aside from any others I can think of, have made the free, open availability of information more possible than anyone else. They are 'socialist.'

I guess socialist isn't so bad.

yes, you are confused. they worked for a group that was funded by the tax payer. this is similar to an electric company producing electricity for an area. they aren't socialist... it's a service paid for by the community
90 Human Priest
16645
02/23/2013 02:57 PMPosted by Tinymasher
There you go again, equating people who don't queue in full premades with bots. There are no solo queuers, there are no 2-5 person parties, there are only you guys, and the bots. I guess that makes it easier for you to tell yourself that it doesn't matter how stupidly easy your games are: you're not cheating against 'real' people!

i'm sorry.... should i have typed (premade + solos) v (premade + solos)? i described this many moons ago, and i believe you were raging on the threads at the time.

the solos would be people as blizz would weight the sorting.. insuring people over bots.

02/23/2013 02:43 PMPosted by Cylthia
And that design changed, and you know it.

yes, it changed as there was no way to compete with large guilds. now there is. the original change, which brought us bg-bots and welfare-honor-farmers, is no longer necessary

02/23/2013 02:43 PMPosted by Cylthia
You decided you didn't like the competitive games,

i'm sorry, did i miss the 'competitive game' AV option?

02/23/2013 02:43 PMPosted by Cylthia
Yeah, they're facerolls instead.

show us on the doll where the bad premade touched you

02/23/2013 02:43 PMPosted by Cylthia
But the world doesn't revolve around you.

but for some reason, it revolves around you

02/23/2013 02:43 PMPosted by Cylthia
Blizzard is not currently able to provide full-premade-vs-full-premade AV games.

i've never suggested full premades (read above). i never run full premades. i always run about 90% premade, the rest being random pugs.

02/23/2013 02:43 PMPosted by Cylthia
That doesn't mean that you're entitled to play against pugs instead.

yet for some reason you're entitled to force me to group with and carry bots and bads?

yea, i don't think so.
Chopped up posts like this one are the mark of a disorganized mind. Maybe that's why you got so distracted by your silly semantic games that you missed this:
02/23/2013 02:10 PMPosted by Cylthia
If 6+ premades are not against the rules, why do you have to go outside the group queueing system to form them? Why were addons that automated the process broken? Why do we have several long blue posts about why these changes were made, about the negative effect that large premades have on unrated battlegrounds, and about the other options that people who wish to play battlegrounds in larger groups have available to them? There's just no logical support for the claim that your 'playstyle' is acceptable. There are many venues in the game for large premades, but unrated battlegrounds are not intended to be one of them. PVP is not meant to have an easy mode.
This is the point: it doesn't matter how much you want to keep pub stomping in AV. That playstyle is bad for the game. PVP is not meant to have an easy mode. All the snotty one liners in the world aren't going to change that.
90 Tauren Death Knight
7100
02/23/2013 03:06 PMPosted by Piñata
I guess you're screwed.

your level of self delusion is astounding

02/23/2013 03:06 PMPosted by Piñata
Bill Joy and Richard Stallman are the names of your internet

ROFLMAO
90 Tauren Death Knight
7100
02/23/2013 03:23 PMPosted by Piñata
The socialist agenda made your internet.

in that it was created to survive a direct strike from communist russia... yes.

otherwise, no. not a drop.

standards are not socialism (wow, what a nutjob)
90 Night Elf Druid
2420
Posted by Kiaransali
We do repeat the same things over & over... guilty as charged. Moreover how many times as someone said "I'm wrong"? I can count on one hand the number of times someone said that here. Also how often has someone said "I was outplayed" instead of making excuses? I can't recall the last time someone did (well I said it twice last night, saying that 2 pugs outplayed 2 other pugs).


Thursday night I played cta for several hours, solo queuing using the in game bg queue. In around 20 games the loss rate was over 80%. This is not an exaggeration or misperception, I actually kept track. And what reason would I have to come here and make stuff up. This is a simple fact of my experience of bg that night, and it was not an anomaly, as I'm not the only one who has been saying this for months. Assume for a moment what I'm saying is true and I'm not just bull!@#$ting, because I'm not.

Now, I'm not going to tell you how "all that" I am as a player, or that I'm the best healer this game has ever seen, I'm not. But I'm a good player, and a serious player. And I've been playing long enough to know all the strategies of every bg, I have all my macros, and addons, and cd's hotkeyed. And I communicate to my team, shouting out the fundamentals like, stay grouped and move to our objective, stop fight randomly in the mid, kill their healer first. I won't even bother trying to tell them to peal for their healer. And I have no control of who I'm dumped into these games with. And I'm sometimes top healer for both teams, and often top healer for mine.

So, I come on here and say, hoping blizzard might be listening somehow, that there seems to be a problem with bg, an imbalance of sorts. And what I am met with is, "oh quit whining and LTP", or, "you were outplayed, just admit it, and maybe try this addon it will help you play better", or, "learn to communicate better, I know it takes work and your a lazy liberal who just wants a handout", or, "you're exaggerating, pvp is ok cuz I'm still having fun". How the hell is a sane person to respond to that?

Response is futile, I know. But I often address you on these boards Kiaransali, because remarcably (even though you're a bit thick-headed) you seem to one of the very few intelligent and considerate posters, who respond with earnest - unlike the raging morons like tinymasher.
90 Undead Mage
1935
Thursday night I played cta for several hours, solo queuing using the in game bg queue. In around 20 games the loss rate was over 80%. This is not an exaggeration or misperception, I actually kept track. And what reason would I have to come here and make stuff up. This is a simple fact of my experience of bg that night, and it was not an anomaly, as I'm not the only one who has been saying this for months. Assume for a moment what I'm saying is true and I'm not just bull!@#$ting, because I'm not.
I believe you... we have all had bad nights pugging. We have all had good nights pugging as well.

02/23/2013 03:53 PMPosted by Anaxx
Now, I'm not going to tell you how "all that" I am as a player, or that I'm the best healer this game has ever seen, I'm not. But I'm a good player, and a serious player. And I've been playing long enough to know all the strategies of every bg, I have all my macros, and addons, and cd's hotkeyed. And I communicate to my team, shouting out the fundamentals like, stay grouped and move to our objective, stop fight randomly in the mid, kill their healer first. I won't even bother trying to tell them to peal for their healer. And I have no control of who I'm dumped into these games with. And I'm sometimes top healer for both teams, and often top healer for mine.
I believe you here as well. The fact alone that you care about winning puts you above probably 1/3 of BG players.

02/23/2013 03:53 PMPosted by Anaxx
So, I come on here and say, hoping blizzard might be listening somehow, that there seems to be a problem with bg, an imbalance of sorts. And what I am met with is, "oh quit whining and LTP", or, "you were outplayed, just admit it, and maybe try this addon it will help you play better", or, "learn to communicate better, I know it takes work and your a lazy liberal who just wants a handout", or, "you're exaggerating, pvp is ok cuz I'm still having fun". How the hell is a sane person to respond to that?
This is where we disagree. You think premades and/or Blizzard are to blame. I think (for the most part) bots, terrible players & players ignoring objectives are to blame.

02/23/2013 03:53 PMPosted by Anaxx
Response is futile, I know. But I often address you on these boards Kiaransali, because remarcably (even though you're a bit thick-headed) you seem to one of the very few intelligent and considerate posters, who respond with earnest - unlike the raging morons like tinymasher.
You are an intelligent person as well & I think we can both try to be more respectful towards each other's views. I know how frustrating pugging is... I have pugged more than run in groups over the years. I get it. I switched to horde a while back pretty much because alliance pugs have been awful this season (well at least most that I was in). I used to consistently get my daily win in 1-2 pugs and this season it usually took 4-5 tries. I haven't changed & if anything I have improved, so that means my teammates got worse.
Edited by Kiaransali on 2/23/2013 4:46 PM PST
90 Blood Elf Paladin
14285
02/23/2013 03:14 PMPosted by Tinymasher
your level of self delusion is astounding


This is the funniest thing I have ever read on the forums. I am in stitches.
90 Tauren Death Knight
7100
02/23/2013 06:53 PMPosted by Xexyz
This is the funniest thing I have ever read on the forums. I am in stitches.

that's the best troll you can come up with? i had higher standards for you.

so sad.
90 Blood Elf Paladin
14285
that's the best troll you can come up with? i had higher standards for you.

so sad.


I wasn't trolling, I was expressing my amusement at your comment.

I stated that pretty bluntly.

I also think it's pretty funny that you think that everybody that disagrees with you is a troll.
Edited by Xexyz on 2/23/2013 7:33 PM PST
90 Tauren Shaman
7200
This has turned into one of the saddest debates to ever be carried out on the forums of World of Warcraft. Both sides have reached so far into the outfield for more points to argue that you guys have now covered both religion and political ideologies.

that's the best troll you can come up with? i had higher standards for you.

so sad.


I wasn't trolling, I was expressing my amusement at your comment.

I stated that pretty bluntly.

I also think it's pretty funny that you think that everybody that disagrees with you is a troll.


Now Xexyz's Lover's quarrel with Tiny, that's entertainment.
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