Accessing the full power of The Light

63 Draenei Paladin
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From CDevs:
Without spoiling too much, we can tell you that wielding the Light is a matter of having willpower or faith in one's own ability to do it. That's why there are evil paladins (for example, the Scarlet Crusade and Arthas before he took up Frostmourne). For the undead (and Forsaken), this requires such a great deal of willpower that it is exceedingly rare, especially since it is self-destructive. When undead channel the Light, it feels (to them) as if their entire bodies are being consumed in righteous fire. Forsaken healed by the Light (whether the healer is Forsaken or not) are effectively cauterized by the effect: sure, the wound is healed, but the healing effect is cripplingly painful. Thus, Forsaken priests are beings of unwavering willpower; Forsaken (and death knight) tanks suffer nobly when they have priest and paladin healers in the group; and Sir Zeliek REALLY hates himself.


"There is no good. No evil. No Light. There is only POWER!"

These were the words Benedictus used when he fought Thrall.

To Benedictus Light is only power and with this veiwpoint he surpassed even Velen(point of fact: his Waves of Virtue and his Purifying Blasts were all much larger then anything Velen used)

It seems to me that the best way to draw on the Light is to see it as "only POWER!"

It seems Light is just sheer willpower in the end it seems....
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90 Draenei Monk
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Velen doesn't fight so we never actually see his full power.
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63 Draenei Paladin
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Even PvP Raids don't show Velen's full power I guess.

Yet what about everything else?
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90 Night Elf Rogue
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Many of the Twilight Hammer believed that what they were doing was right. They thought the quick death from the Cataclysm would be preferable to the lingering death that the world was going through.

The Light is also based on faith.

02/18/2013 01:02 PMPosted by Lena
Velen doesn't fight so we never actually see his full power.


Also this. Velen was considered, at one point, to be one of the strongest spellcasters of the Eredar race. He was tied with Kil'jaeden and Archimonde.
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90 Night Elf Rogue
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02/18/2013 01:05 PMPosted by Archpaladin
Even PvP Raids don't show Velen's full power I guess.


Game mechanics are game mechanics. If this weren't the case, attacking Jaina in Theramore would've just resulted in your raid being incinerated.
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63 Draenei Paladin
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Isn't Willpower created from Faith?

If you believe Light is just power that can be drawn in the large amounts Benedictus used out of nowhere you will draw it in large amounts and be able to create Waves of Virtue and Purifying Blasts yourself!

You'll also be able to use Twilight Blasts and Waves of Twilight as well since Shadow is mind magic and using your mind to deduce that Light "only POWER!" is more then enough fuel to power the Shadow magic to that extent(only Sargeras, Kil'jaeden(why Archimonde a high ranked demon lord weak in this regard?), Entropius and the Sha have surpassed Benedictus in that manner it)!
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90 Night Elf Rogue
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02/18/2013 01:23 PMPosted by Archpaladin
Isn't Willpower created from Faith?


No.

Faith is the belief in what you are doing. It is conviction. To use the Holy Light one must believe what you are doing is right and just.

Willpower is the ability to push yourself or resist before you break.

Willpower is required to have a strong faith. Faith does not produce will and will does not produce faith.

02/18/2013 01:23 PMPosted by Archpaladin
You'll also be able to use Twilight Blasts and Waves of Twilight as well since Shadow is mind magic and using your mind to deduce that Light "only POWER!"


Twilight Magic is not the same thing as Psionics. It is a new type of magic created by the the Twilight Hammer and tied to the Old Gods.
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90 Night Elf Rogue
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-Tents fingers-
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63 Draenei Paladin
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What evidence do you have that Faith is belief that what you are doing is right and just?

From http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/faith: "strong or unshakeable belief in something, esp without proof or evidence."

Belief that Light is power as far as I'm concerned is Faith that it's "only POWER!" nothing more.

Faith dosen't need morals at all!

If a car carrying Megalomaniac who knows he's on the wrong side of Morality believed he could draw on the Light as power and had endless willpower to do so he'd be immensely powerful!

Even Shivvara can weild The Light(considering that they are all priests it's not suprising that they and none of the Dread Lords, Doomgaurds, Pit Lords or Eredar aside from Kil'jaeden(and possibly not even him it's just an illusion) use it)
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90 Night Elf Rogue
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02/18/2013 01:43 PMPosted by Archpaladin
What evidence do you have that Faith is belief that what you are doing is right and just?


I never said Faith is the belief in what you are doing is right and just. I said that to use the Holy Light you must have faith in what you are doing is right and just. There is a difference.
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I said that to use the Holy Light you must have faith in what you are doing is right and just. There is a difference.


Didn't the Light fail Arthas during the Purge of Stratholme, though?

I mean, I know it did.

It's in the Arthas book.

But he fully believed at the time he was just and right in his actions. And fully believed in his ability to wield the Light. And yet he couldn't.
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63 Draenei Paladin
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we can tell you that wielding the Light is a matter of having willpower or faith in one's own ability to do it.


Where does this say you must have faith in what you are doing is right and just?

It does not nor do any official source state that(only fanon).

As for Arthas the book said he doubted the Light would appear when it didn't come to him(he thought The Light was bound by morals so to him it was)
Edited by Archpaladin on 2/18/2013 1:55 PM PST
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90 Orc Warrior
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Techncially Forsaken Warriors should GAIN rage when healed by holy spells.
Edited by Lochnar on 2/18/2013 1:59 PM PST
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90 Night Elf Rogue
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02/18/2013 01:53 PMPosted by Brukk
Didn't the Light fail Arthas during the Purge of Stratholme, though?


I'm pretty sure it did not. If somebody can find a citation, lemme have it.

02/18/2013 01:53 PMPosted by Archpaladin
Where does this say you must have faith in what you are doing is right and just?


Because it is taught by the Church of the Holy Light that you must be just and right, if I'm remembering it correctly. If you're told "You can only use the Light if you're just" then you're going to believe that and if you are not just, or do not believe yourself just, you will not believe you can use the Light.

Furthermore, your citation of the Shivarah using The Light is bunk. Just because they use priest spells doesn't mean they believe in The Light. See: Night Elves, Trolls, Pandaren.
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63 Draenei Paladin
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Church of the Holy Light isn't Blizzard and they would teach that!

Those who don't believe them and are Card Carrying Megalomaniacs who want to rule the world that believe The Light is just Willpower will end up being capable of weilding The Light!

And if they want to mix their Arcane magic with Light they could create a Light and Arcane(Arcane is absolutly necessary to raising dead) based Undead army(who due to feeling and tasting the rotting of their bodies would be susceptible to Arcane enslavement).
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90 Night Elf Rogue
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No. You can't mix The Light and The Arcane together to create an army of Light Undead.

Stop pushing your Light Lich idea. You've now created an entire second thread to try and support it.
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90 Human Monk
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Velen was once like a brother to a couple of guys who run around the cosmos fancying themselves the overlords of the Burning Legion.

If he wasn't such a damn nice guy he could probably level a city just by drawing it in the sand with his finger.
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90 Blood Elf Paladin
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02/18/2013 02:18 PMPosted by Melyria
No. You can't mix The Light and The Arcane together to create an army of Light Undead.


The Sunwell is a mix of Light and Arcane.....
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90 Undead Death Knight
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02/18/2013 09:05 PMPosted by Veloran
No. You can't mix The Light and The Arcane together to create an army of Light Undead.


The Sunwell is a mix of Light and Arcane.....
And yet, somehow, holy zombies don't seem to be crawling out of it...
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