High elves getting way to much face time.

90 Human Death Knight
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02/18/2013 03:18 AMPosted by Darmonic
That still doesn't excuse that 90% of the Elves died, 9% became blood elves 1% stayed High elves, yet we have a high elf faction and see them all over the 5.2 patch.


That's what happens when you reproduce, man.
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02/17/2013 11:24 PMPosted by Darmonic
With knowing that High elves shouldn't exist since not feeding your addiction or overfeeding turns you into a wretched. Please remove high elves.


Blood Elves fed their addictions with far more common and inexpensive 'fel energy' from the outlands. High Elves fed their addictions with far more expensive 'arcane energy,' likely given to them by their Alliance allies.

02/18/2013 03:53 AMPosted by Grimtale
That still doesn't excuse that 90% of the Elves died, 9% became blood elves 1% stayed High elves, yet we have a high elf faction and see them all over the 5.2 patch.


Eh maybe, but we don't know how much 1% of the total elf population is. We do know that Deathknights and Pandaren represent miniscule populations already and should also be very rare. Still, they're playable.
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90 Worgen Warlock
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We don't even know if they exist, I mean Their are no male harpies, the female harpies capture males and "Rape" them to reproduce and keep their species going ogres could easily do the same thing... I mean I could see the ogres going into orc villages stealing their women.

But then their is Rexar who is half orc and half ogre... so ogre women have to exist because not every ogre looks like Rexar.


I could certainly see Ogres as that type of race. Still, I suggested that as an alternative to justify why female are so rare, to the point of have never been seen. They could end up being like a 'broodmother' type. Really violent that tends to take control of larger groups of ogres. Ogres could reproduce and grow really quick so it would justify both their huge numbers, lack of females in many tribes and also their "stupidity", which would be basically lack of experience/lifetime.

Anyways, the ""Rape" procedure" sort of contradicts half-bloods. Harpies shouldn't be able to retain their pure species unless they had intercourse with their own species or they would end with a bunch of 'feathered-winged-tauren' around.

Still, I think that would be something interesting to develop. Instead of remain with this notion of 'mix' when two different races mate, they could develop that there's a chance for that to happen or not, meaning that there could be pure offsprings from both races, and it would follow the gender of the parent. Harpies are females, so females have chacne to be either mixed or purely Harpy. That kind of thing.

The Harpies could merely kill/eat their 'corrupted' offspring and keep only the pure female Harpies.

It gives some window to races in low numbers increase their numbers, so it might be interesting.

02/18/2013 03:18 AMPosted by Darmonic
That still doesn't excuse that 90% of the Elves died, 9% became blood elves 1% stayed High elves, yet we have a high elf faction and see them all over the 5.2 patch. They should be a rare sight like the ogres.


Really, if you're going through the 'logic' argument, you should really look at Humans and Orcs. There have been more conflict than 10 times the Human and Orc population could deal with, but still they don't seem to suffer casualties. While, incredibly, the other side is usually wiped out to the point of not being a threat anymore.

Also, why did you even mention ogres? There's nothing really stating that ogres are "close to extinction".
Edited by Osiria on 2/18/2013 9:52 AM PST
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02/18/2013 03:18 AMPosted by Darmonic
That still doesn't excuse that 90% of the Elves died, 9% became blood elves 1% stayed High elves, yet we have a high elf faction and see them all over the 5.2 patch. They should be a rare sight like the ogres.


Really, if you're going through the 'logic' argument, you should really look at Humans and Orcs. There have been more conflict than 10 times the Human and Orc population could deal with, but still they don't seem to suffer casualties. While, incredibly, the other side is usually wiped out to the point of not being a threat anymore.

Also, why did you even mention ogres? There's nothing really stating that ogres are "close to extinction".


I honestly feel like you guys are trolling?

It takes 6 years for an orc to reach adult hood, 18 years for a human to reach adult hood.

It takes several decades for an elf to reach adult hood, so even if they are reproducing their population is going to hop up as fast as the humans or orcs.

Plus it is said that the gnome population is bigger then the high elf population a race that lost 80% of its population.
Edited by Darmonic on 2/18/2013 10:48 AM PST
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02/18/2013 10:44 AMPosted by Darmonic
Plus it is said that the gnome population is bigger then the high elf population a race that lost 80% of its population.


It is also said the High Elf population is bigger than the Darkspear Trolls.
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100 Troll Shaman
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02/18/2013 11:10 AMPosted by Gollard
Plus it is said that the gnome population is bigger then the high elf population a race that lost 80% of its population.


It is also said the High Elf population is bigger than the Darkspear Trolls.

Source?

Hint: Nope.
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I honestly feel like you guys are trolling?

It takes 6 years for an orc to reach adult hood, 18 years for a human to reach adult hood.

It takes several decades for an elf to reach adult hood, so even if they are reproducing their population is going to hop up as fast as the humans or orcs.

Plus it is said that the gnome population is bigger then the high elf population a race that lost 80% of its population.


Elfs grow at the same rate as humans they just stop aging after a while. This is shown by the Blood Elf in the eastern plaguelands who was a child when the Scourge attacked and now he is an adult.
Not sure where the 6 years for an Orc to reach adulthood comes from, is that from one of the books? Where is it stated?

02/18/2013 11:13 AMPosted by Kellick


It is also said the High Elf population is bigger than the Darkspear Trolls.

Source?

Hint: Nope.


Yeah Kellick is right, despite the Darkspear tribe probably realistically having no more then a couple of hundred trolls alive, there is no actual source stating that there are more High Elves then Darkspear Trolls.
Edited by Tabard on 2/18/2013 11:19 AM PST
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90 Worgen Warlock
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02/18/2013 10:44 AMPosted by Darmonic
It takes 6 years for an orc to reach adult hood, 18 years for a human to reach adult hood.


Orcs can pass in that sense, but not Humans with so many conflicts over a few years. Even if we consider that have passed 5 years over the whole WoW, it's still too much conflict.

There's also the fact that races in great numbers are the ones prone to lose far more. If you have an army with a thousand people, where 800 are Orcs while the rest are a mix of different races, there's a great likely hood that 80% of casualties are going to be Orcish. That without even considering roles in battle. If that 20% happened to be filled with spellcasters, rangers from Silvermoon, for instance, the casualties might almost 100% Orcs. Of course it depends of how the battle turns out.

02/18/2013 10:44 AMPosted by Darmonic
It takes several decades for an elf to reach adult hood, so even if they are reproducing their population is going to hop up as fast as the humans or orcs.


Err, no. They take longer to be considered adults. Their people don't see them as adults, but they're perfectly grow up at about 20 years old, like any human. Or do you think that after 10 years they would still be quite similar to babies? Some only happen to live longer and not get old.

That's why I'm skeptical about those '6 years'. I only know of "reaching physical adulthood quickly", nothing as specific as that.

02/18/2013 10:44 AMPosted by Darmonic
Plus it is said that the gnome population is bigger then the high elf population a race that lost 80% of its population.


%'s don't mean anything unless you have a number behind it, which there isn't. Saying "20% of Gnomes survived" is more than "1% of Blood Elves became High Elves", really doesn't have meaning unless their numbers are similar, which, again, Blizz never stated. On other hand, Gnomes aren't a major race who were under control of a vast land, filled with people and a great capital city like High Elves were.

Also, this "1%" certainly doesn't even address the other High Elves groups scattered around the world and Outland. It sounds too specific to the Elves who remained on their capital, after the whole exiled thing.

To be serious, Blizz always avoids that kind of statement because some people consider the lore as some kind of bible. Lore is malleable, specially with such vague statements as these.
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The only Orcs that reached adulthood in 6 years are those that had their ages accelerated by Gul'dan and the Shadow Council.

Durotan and Orgrim were older than 6 years old when they first met the Draenei on Draenor and they were still considered children.
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02/18/2013 03:18 AMPosted by Darmonic
That still doesn't excuse that 90% of the Elves died, 9% became blood elves 1% stayed High elves, yet we have a high elf faction and see them all over the 5.2 patch. They should be a rare sight like the ogres.


Maybe every High Elf that can currently be found ingame is the entire population? (Including 5.2 that is)
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02/18/2013 08:46 PMPosted by Searik
That still doesn't excuse that 90% of the Elves died, 9% became blood elves 1% stayed High elves, yet we have a high elf faction and see them all over the 5.2 patch. They should be a rare sight like the ogres.


Maybe every High Elf that can currently be found ingame is the entire population? (Including 5.2 that is)


Maybe so.
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90 Worgen Warlock
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02/18/2013 08:46 PMPosted by Searik
Maybe every High Elf that can currently be found ingame is the entire population? (Including 5.2 that is)


Numbers ingame are quite miserable. Even High Elves would represent a bigger number. And really, it's hard to say how many High Elves are in any condition, taking those blue statements as absolute or not. Just... because there's no real number for any race, at all. Just a bunch of "some's", "many's" and "few's".

Only NPC's, named ones, should be taken as a real number. Thrall will always count as just one, no matter how many times or zones he might appear.

Just to add, it would be nice to avoid stating the High Elf population as just '1%'. Some people tend to ignore the part that this 1% is from 10% of the Elves who survived after the Scourge attacked. So, it sorts of transmits an idea that they're less than they really are, while Blood Elves are somewhat left aside, as if their numbers weren't that small too.
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