Holy Priest PvP- RBG & BG Guide 5.4 UPDATED!

90 Undead Warlock
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Great guide!
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90 Human Priest
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Bumping for feedback from those playing Holy since the 5.2 patch!

How are you liking stance-dancing since the Chakra change? I think it's pretty fun. It's interesting and opens up so many options!

How does focused will feel to you? Feels like a warm cuddly blanket to me!
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90 Night Elf Priest
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I went PVP tank mode last night. Glyphs I used were fade, inner fire, inner sanctum. at 65+% resil.

I still did die but it was only because I was the last person alive and there was at least 3 dps on me spamming stuns and silences. BTW I use the stun duration reduction metagem it helps a lot. I would recommend gemming that instead of the int or spirit metas for PVP in MOP because stuns are ridiculous atm.

Stance dancing chakras: you want to cast all your aoe instants in a clump (CoH, Divine Star, PoM) then you switch to chakra:serenity/serenity and cast your serenity on cooldown (every 10 seconds) and flash heal if you need to then swap back to blue for your aoe rotation... if someone's on you cast your chakra: chastise/chastise macro on cooldown (every 30 seconds that chastise comes available).

I would probably include a focus version of the red chakra/chastise macro so I can interrupt a focus target (i.e. healers) every 30 seconds...

Also another nice tip... macro CoH with chakra: sanctuary. That way you can abuse the blue chakra effect of making your CoH 8 second cooldown instead of 10 second! Gotta love the unlisted buffs ;)
Edited by Longinus on 3/6/2013 1:07 PM PST
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90 Blood Elf Priest
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The 5 second cd on Chakras seem a bit OP, but I'm absolutely loving it. Dueling people is so hilarious with Chakra into MC, Fear they give up majority of the time. I'm pretty disappointed From Darkness, Comes Light was silent nerfed it was one of my favorite talents thus far. I've been seeing a LOT more Holy Priests, and met quite a few forum lurkers/posters while BGing this past week using the guide. I've updated the talents section a bit for 5.2 and will frequently update as I get back into RBGs. Been doing quite a few wargame 10v10's the past three days and no one has been able to out heal me so far. I'm thinking Holy might be the best RBG healer in terms of pure heals this season despite us still having slight mana issues. Has anyone tried out Binding Heal glyph yet, or reforging mastery? That's next on my to try list.
Edited by Lovè on 3/10/2013 12:45 PM PDT
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87 Human Priest
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BUMD!! needs to be a sticky!
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90 Goblin Priest
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Thanks for the write up. I may try a little holy just to give it a shot.
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90 Undead Priest
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Amazing guide!, and do you guys use inner will or inner fire for rbgs?, what are you guys reforging? i see most holy pvp priests reforging mastery but i feel with all crit i can top ppl off with just a pom+serenity,thanks in advance
Edited by Hailsatanx on 3/16/2013 9:00 PM PDT
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90 Human Priest
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I reforge for haste (to breakpoint for extra tick) and then mastery. Echo is healing for ALOT. Usually my top three heals are ProM, Renew and Echo. Mana is an issue, I'm trying Solace, but meh, though it often heals for more than it hits. Inner Will when not being trained, Inner FIre when melee are attacking. So many uses for the 5 sec chakra I don't have enough keys to bind everything! On flag maps, try glyph of leap of faith, grip and then feathers to get them past all those nasty enemies :) lol
Edited by Flaxxen on 3/16/2013 9:21 PM PDT
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90 Gnome Monk
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I'm absolutely loving holy priest. I've had three different RBGs of 30 million+ healing. As Flaxxen said if we can sit in inner will our healing/mana is amazing. Survival is boss mode as long as I can switch to inner fire once they switch to train me. Can FC heal/escort pretty well also with feathers/grips. It's a shame so many people are still ignorant about how good holy priest is, so hard to find a group unless it's friends who have seen the power of holy. The only other class I've seen match my throughput as holy is a resto druid, but our survival trumps theirs imo.

**reforging crit btw. I tried mastery and really didn't like it. Haven't tried reforging haste for anything, where's the first breakpoint worth reforging for?
Edited by Gnomgnamstyl on 3/16/2013 10:11 PM PDT
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90 Human Priest
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3039 Haste is first break-point
I don't believe the second break point is achievable in pvp gear.
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90 Undead Priest
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I went PVP tank mode last night. Glyphs I used were fade, inner fire, inner sanctum. at 65+% resil


Yea I regularly roll with Fade and inner sanctum..16% less damage taken combined vs casters if needed every 30 seconds, yes pls. Geared mages/destro locks hit like trucks.

For my 3rd glyph, I have been rolling with pw:s, 20% of the shield is a direct heal.

I view my third glyph as another freebie instant cast heal and some benefit of pw:s vs dispel spammers so popping a shield doesn't completely go to waste.

Good to flask yourself for 25,000 more hitpoints when doing regular bgs too, flask of earths go for 60ish gold per pop on my server, but you get the money back by buying mutilator daggers with 105? honor points and selling them back for 16g a pop...so I roll with 426k hp buffed along with 67.19% resil in the bgs, with an on demand 16% less damage taken via glyphs and an extra insta cast heal in pw:s glyph, and way more hp than most priests.

Personally, I roll with desperate prayer over bullwark as well, the 30% heal is on demand. I like things being on demand. On demand 10% less damage taken by everything via fade, passive 6% less damage taken from magics via inner sanctum stacks good with it, on demand 30% heal from desperate prayer, on demand insta cast heal from glyph of pw:S. Angelic bulwark proccing means you are in execute range for many classes. Not good to get in execute range, the absorb shield angelic bulwark procs will instantly vanish from high damaging execute type of attacks that trigger from you getting to low health.

My 2 coppers..
Edited by Xpotiom on 3/17/2013 8:24 AM PDT
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90 Night Elf Priest
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3039 Haste is first break-point
I don't believe the second break point is achievable in pvp gear.


you can get 5 tic renew (5316 breakpoint) by using http://www.wowpedia.org/Shock-Charger_Medallion as your 2nd trinket with close to fully upgraded s12 gear and enough reforge/enchants/gems. I was rolling this before and it worked great. As we hit 1700-1800 teams though I think it's proper to swap back to more resil gear and the spirit of redemption glyph may get more use lol.
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90 Gnome Monk
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3039 Haste is first break-point
I don't believe the second break point is achievable in pvp gear.


you can get 5 tic renew (5316 breakpoint) by using http://www.wowpedia.org/Shock-Charger_Medallion as your 2nd trinket with close to fully upgraded s12 gear and enough reforge/enchants/gems. I was rolling this before and it worked great. As we hit 1700-1800 teams though I think it's proper to swap back to more resil gear and the spirit of redemption glyph may get more use lol.

Really don't need spirit of redemption glyph anymore. If you're dying to 17-1800 teams it probably means lack of peels or undergeared. I died in 2 matches out of 30 and both times I got caught on a hard switch without inner fire up :(
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90 Goblin Priest
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Ran Holy over the weekend and really enjoyed it. I still need to look into the glyphs some more. I really like the PoM glyph but I noticed a lot of people aren't taking it. With PoM+Serenity hitting so hard it seemed like a great choice. I guess I just need to spend some more testing out the "tanking" glpyhs to see if they are needed with my team. I definately see the use in them.
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90 Gnome Monk
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Ran Holy over the weekend and really enjoyed it. I still need to look into the glyphs some more. I really like the PoM glyph but I noticed a lot of people aren't taking it. With PoM+Serenity hitting so hard it seemed like a great choice. I guess I just need to spend some more testing out the "tanking" glpyhs to see if they are needed with my team. I definately see the use in them.

What glyphs do you see other holy priests taking? I've seen a couple top disc priests taking PoM glyph so I'm surprised holy priests wouldn't be taking it. Pom+HW:S is a pretty nasty combo on a 10-second CD.
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90 Goblin Priest
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TLDR Talent Preference: Void Tendrils=MC>Psyfiend.

I choose Void Tendrils over Psyfiend even pre-nerf, for the simple fact of it sharing DR with one of our primary crowd control effects (Psychic Scream) and with all the fear-breaking effects I never viewed it as useful as so many players claimed it to be.

TLDR Talent Preference: Angelic Feathers=Body & Soul>Phantasm

I'm not too sure on what I think about Angelic Feathers. They can be accidentally used by other players, so that hit and miss possibility isn't really my taste. I can see why Body & Soul may be a better talent choice than Phantasm (especially given the nerf) but is greatly diminished when you're snared, which in all likelihood will be the majority of the time. In moments of no snares however, definitely the better talent for yourself, teammates, and flag carriers.

TLDR Talent Preference: Solace=Mindbender>From Darkness, Comes Light

I agree. I would even go so far to say that Solace is the better talent than Mindbender for the simple fact that players will immediately kill it when used. My rationale in choosing Solace is that I still have Shadowfiend (and when used with Hymn of Hope is ridiculously strong) so I'd rather add to my tools of mana regeneration rather than substitute them.

TLDR Talent Preference: Desperate Prayer> Spectral Guise=Angelic Bulwark feeling the same about this in 5.2 Spectral Guise is still working to get out of combat faster, may be taking this more when season starts.

I respectfully disagree. I think when you take into consideration MS effects in conjunction with Necrotic Strikes then Desperate Prayer is comparable to Angelic Bulwark in terms of effective health. However, when you ignore the healing and absorption aspects, what remains is their design: Desperate Prayer requires you to cast it, so if you're crowd controlled then you're out of luck, whereas Angelic Bulwark will go into effect on its own, lasts 20 seconds (so they are required to burn through the shield), can't be dispelled due to the recent patch, and isn't negated by MS/Necrotics. That being said, even if Desperate Prayer generated more effective health, due to the difference in design I'd still choose Angelic Bulwark over Desperate Prayer.

Since Spectral Guise has been somewhat nerfed due to being unable to cast it while under certain crowd control effects, I don't find it nearly as beneficial compared to Angelic Bulwark or Desperate Prayer.

TLDR Talent Preference: Angelic Bulwark = Desperate Prayer > Spectral Guise

TLDR: Talent Preference: Twist of Fate=Power Infusion>Divine Insight also the same in 5.2

I agree. If the risk factor for getting Power Infusion dispelled is low, I'd even say that Power Infusion is stronger than Twist of Fate. Does Power Infusion add ticks to Divine Hymn?

TLDR Talent Preference: Cascade=Divine Star>Halo works just as fine in 5.2

I agree. While I had originally used Cascade solely as an AoE heal, given it's rather high mana consumption (relative to Divine Star) and limit on targets, I opted for Divine Star after the patch. Divine Star doesn't have a target limit, has critically healed as high as 50,000 for me, and if you practice with aim it's great for hitting stealthed rogues (can't recall if it breaks stealth, but it's nice for getting in combat). Not so great with regards to your teammate's crowd control though (as Divine Star will hit both friendly and hostile targets), in which case Cascade is far superior in that regard since you can control which targets it lands on.

Lightspring when placed carefully in fights will do an extensive amount of healing to those under 50% and the best part nobody has to be forced to click it/waste charges.

Can it heal through line of sight? Otherwise I can't see it being as much use in Non-Rated BGs given the lack of coordination amongst players, but that doesn't apply to RBGs.

Spirit of Redemption is single-handedly the best glyph out there for Holy Priest in RBG.

If you die a lot then sure, otherwise I can't see it being utilized enough to make the slot taken up worth it, in my opinion.

Personally I cant see myself not using Glyph of Prayer of Mending or Glyph of Renew; I forgo Spirit of Redemption/Mass Dispel glyphs simply because they're not utilized enough (by me). I think Glyph of Shadow Word: Death and Glyph of Power Word: Shield provide a more frequent benefit, the former being an excellent crowd control breaker, while the latter helps refresh Renews (via Chakra: Serenity).

Intellect>Spirit>Mastery>Resil

Question: Does intellect now provide a greater boost to healing than pvp power?

Since they've changed either the design of resilience, or it's simply a matter of Tyrannical gear having less resilience, I wouldn't place mastery in greater importance over resilience.

I'd prioritize my stats as follows:
6% Spell Hit > Spirit = Resilience > Mastery > Haste > Critical Strike

Reaching certain cutoff points for haste is all well and good, but if it's at the expense of mana regeneration (in most cases it will be), I just can't see the benefit. Therefore, if you can't reach one of the cutoff points for haste without sacrificing mana regeneration, that leaves mastery and critical strike. Mastery will always benefit you, whereas critical strike will randomly help; ergo mastery is better than critical strike.

For instance, HW: Serenity w/ Holy Spark heals for 80,000 non-critical strike (for me). At 15% mastery, Echo of Light is going to add an additional 12,000 healing on the target. While that may not seem like much at first glance, but the healing from Echo of Light will add up, and since it always goes into effect it will definitely dwarf whatever additional healing you got as a result of critical strikes; and since it's a healing over time effect, over healing is minimized.

/cast chakra: sanctuary
/cast Divine Hymn (editted: Divine Hymn would be the better spell to couple this with into 1 macro... then right afterwards you can cast Sanctuary if needed... then you can go right back to Yellow Chakra.

Awesome macro, didn't consider that.

I understand a lot of these choices we make are preferential, and I'm not trying to give the impression that what one person prefers is "wrong" simply because it conflicts with what I prefer. I'm all for healthy discussion over this fun spec (one I have been playing since the beginning of Cataclysm) and look forward to the feedback.

Great guide :)
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90 Gnome Monk
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@Rilaks->lightspring can heal through LoS. I didn't even fully read OP didn't realize sanctuary increased divine hymn heals, guess my 35mil rbg healing may increase even more :)
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