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BTW i would just like to say that I support the finding of the solution, and the implementing of it.

One point and I'm out: some people have been saying things like "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few"

1) My friend quite literally needs /follow in order to play bgs. I don't think you can argue that any players need /follow to be broken in order to play bgs.

2) That aside, obviously you can't dismiss the fact that botters and multiboxers adversely affect the game experience for lots of people, and some of the suggestions we're floating would not prove much of a barrier to certain botters/multiboxers.

What we're asking for is attention to the situation so that a good resolution can be reached. Would I be happy if the change were simply reverted? Yeah, but we'd also be happy with other solutions too.

Unless you can provide Blizzard another method of breaking afk followers nothing is going to be changed. As much sympathy as I have for your friend there just isn't any reason for Blizzard to bend over backwards here.

Anyone else totally impressed he plays a shadow priest? They have a lot of key binds and reactionary abilities.

Question OP, how does he know if he enjoys playing a shadow priest? Is it simply an association between pressing keys and in-game sounds, lore purposes?

Thanks

Oh, wait, I think I might have seen your friend in game. He was running into a wall for about an hour in ORG.

As said already, the only reason my rage is being held in check is the Code of Conduct.

03/05/2013 07:20 PMPosted by Huggywuggles

1) My friend quite literally needs /follow in order to play bgs. I don't think you can argue that any players need /follow to be broken in order to play bgs.

I can sympathize and I'd like to hope people will come up with solutions rather than insults.

One I had is this:

A confirmation box upon selecting someone to follow.

For instance:

Player A targets Player B to follow.

Player B gets a confirmation selection of "Player A wishes to follow you, do you want to allow it?"

<yes or no>

This has two distinct advantages:

1) Players like the one mentioned in OP still have the flexibility to PvP
2) It absolutely DESTROYS followbots since no one would (hopefully) allow a complete stranger to follow them in PvP.

It is unnecessary complexity for no reason other than to allow an extreme minority of players to play a niche play style.

I'd suggest making an account bound thing (like those repuation bonus things)that would allow the /follow to work in BG's for players that need it across their whole account.

I do not have an answer though on how to supply that system to those people that need it, and only those people. If people using bots needed to /follow in BG's then they of course would want the same account bound option. I'd think though that Blizzard could impliment a way to get those players that need to be able to /follow a way to get it without also supplying those players that would abuse the item.

Simply buying it wouldn't work as the botters would pay as well. I'd hate to say you need to prove it with medical proof, but I suppose a mail or fax wouldn't be too much trouble. Obvious coding would be the hardest part, but I doubt that wouldn't be much as the code is there already obviously.

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one.

That is also what Stalin Said before he slaughtered 30 million people, not very nice at all.
If you think about it this saying efficiently abolished personal freedom.

Where the hell do you get off comparing a change in a video game to real life genocide? Seriously some of you need to take a step back and think for a bit before posting further.

Unless you can provide Blizzard another method of breaking afk followers nothing is going to be changed. As much sympathy as I have for your friend there just isn't any reason for Blizzard to bend over backwards here.

Have it so only blind people can /follow in BGs. Have them show Blizz the forms.

03/05/2013 08:54 PMPosted by Zhenogre

And luck in what?

Everything.

Thanks. ^^

With any luck, they'll develop neural interfaces that'll provide an alternative to monitors and keyboards and mice and speakers and headsets. : D

I don't know whether or not this is a joke..but I really don't see how a blind person can play WoW..... I mean.....well...I don't even see how its possible to play WoW and be good at it if you can't see anything....

This breaks my heart. A blue needs to provide a decent answer for this.

03/05/2013 08:58 PMPosted by Amergin

Breaking /follow in battlegrounds effectively prevents blind people from playing.

Doesn't being blind kinda prevent blind players from playing?

Not at all. Look at one of the videos of him playing.

Well here is a blues answer

http://i.imgur.com/8pGZUBH.png

It is unnecessary complexity for no reason other than to allow an extreme minority of players to play a niche play style.

I hardly call it complex.

03/05/2013 08:16 PMPosted by Fairadey

Multiboxers use follow to keep their characters together.

Multiboxers were doing nothing wrong. Stop bringing them up. Blizzards stance was as long as done correctly multiboxing was perfectly fine.

Exactly this and while this affects multiboxers it was absolutely not done expressly to prevent multiboxing. This is a distinction that needs to be made crystal clear.

03/05/2013 08:59 PMPosted by Truthe

Oh, wait, I think I might have seen your friend in game. He was running into a wall for about an hour in ORG.

As said already, the only reason my rage is being held in check is the Code of Conduct.

Please explain how it is possible for a blind person to PVP? He can't really fight anyone because HE CANT SEE. he can't heal anyone because HE CANT SEE their health bars. He can't quest because HE CANT SEE the mobs he has to kill or even the quest givers to get the quests in the first place, so please explain how it is possible for a blind player to play WOW?

Anyone else totally impressed he plays a shadow priest? They have a lot of key binds and reactionary abilities.

Question OP, how does he know if he enjoys playing a shadow priest? Is it simply an association between pressing keys and in-game sounds, lore purposes?

Thanks

Shadowpriest actually works very well for a blind player. He is able to fear other players, which allow him time to get off a mind flay (which works to face him toward his opponent). He can hear when he has max shadow orbs and will often use tentacles to root an opponent while he gets away. The shields and healing (plus the levitate) give him a little more survivability in pvp (and in the wild) so that he's not a drain on someone else's mana. We have several commands macro'd together to use trinkets and whatnot to maximize his output.

Please explain how it is possible for a blind person to PVP? He can't really fight anyone because HE CANT SEE. he can't heal anyone because HE CANT SEE their health bars. He can't quest because HE CANT SEE the mobs he has to kill or even the quest givers to get the quests in the first place, so please explain how it is possible for a blind player to play WOW?

I believe the OP has already explained. Also provided a YouTube channel. If this is not sufficient for you, I'm sure the OP will respond.

Doesn't being blind kinda prevent blind players from playing?

Being blind prevents most blind folks from climbing mountains. But there are always those that choose to try different things, live on the edge and then find out they really like it and can even excell at it.

Does this mean everything should drasically change to suit blind folks? No not at all.....most dont' want major changes anyway. But if given the opportunity, should a company or recreation place at least try and help out blind folks? Absolutely!