I want to make a Prot Paladin, should I?

50 Human Hunter
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Hi all,

I've tried a lot of classes, hunter is my favorite. I got a 90, an 85, a 79, and this guy. My 90 isn't geared beyond starter PvP gear because I'm really not into that whole daily/grinding BG routine anymore (I did it at when I got to max level in BC, WotLK, and Cata). I wanted to try something different, a tanking class. I have tried feral druid (before they separated damage and tanking) but it wasn't so much my style. I do have a couple of ret pally's (highest I think is somewhere around 80) and they were cool.

So I'm picking protection paladin as my next project. Here are my questions, for you the experienced paladin players:

1) I like to do random dungeons, and as the tank I'll be expected to play like a seasoned vet. I do not have any boa gear for this class (I guess I could pass down my hunter's boa shoulders, but I might look stupid wearing them)... will that hurt me a lot? I know boa-geared players do significantly more damage than those without. As a non-boa geared pally will I have a hard time holding aggro?
2) Is protection pally a good solo class? I like to take a break from the group stuff. Yes I know "all classes are viable" but are they good? Remember my favorite class has been huntard lol
3) I've read prot isn't good at PvP. What about if I care about objectives? For example if our survivability is high, I would love to be the flag runner in WSG or EoTS. I love doing that stuff. Even on my hunter I escort the flag runner and get more enjoyment/excitement out of that anyway. I like contributing to the team.
4) As far as stats go the latest thing I read was.. Mastery, expertise, stamina first, parry/dodge/strength/armor/int second, crit/agi/haste don't matter. Is this true?

Sorry about the noob questions, but I'd like to get the most up-to-date info from active players that I can. My goal isn't to raid or anything just do some random dungeon tanking, PvP, and a little solo action.

Thanks :-)
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90 Human Paladin
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If you are thinking of going prot but don't want to be treated like you should already know every detail of how to tank every fight then don't grab BoA gear.

Dress like a noob and people will let minor mistakes slide upto and including the first few Cata instances. Now I'm not saying wear a cloth dress into battle, but a couple green plate pieces with a little agility might buy you a few wipes before people get really mad.

Tell people you are new to tanking. the tank isn't really needed until wrath runs anyway since everyone is OP in classic instances now anyway. So relax and don't worry if you lose aggro here and there. Focus more on learning the class rather then what people think of you. When I was leveling this paladin I grabbed the 60 pvp gear and I used it to tank all the way to Wrath without any problem. A paladin that knows their class can make up for having sub-par gear.

People really don't start jumping all over the tank for mistakes until Cata now.

As for Pvp...well I don't do much because I hate ret and holy, the best advice I can give is use your paladin for PvE and stick to the Hunter you like for PvP.
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90 Human Warlock
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Should you go prot paly? As some one who plays all 3 specs i can advise the following!
Solo 1-30 go Ret.
At 30 duo spec Ret/Prot.
Dungeon Prot, Quest Ret, Until 85
From 85-90 I did Prot for questing and dungeon.
At 90 Prot for hero dungeons, Ret for Raid/LFR, Holy in PvP
Edited by Caiar on 3/5/2013 7:31 AM PST
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100 Human Paladin
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Should you go prot paly? As some one who plays all 3 specs i can advise the following!
Solo 1-30 go Ret.
At 30 duo spec Ret/Prot.
Dungeon Prot, Quest Ret, Until 85
From 85-90 I did Prot for questing and dungeon.
At 90 Prot for hero dungeons, Ret for Raid/LFR, Holy in PvP


I understand why you suggest Prot for Herioc dungeons, but why not tank LFR/Raids also? Why switch to Ret for raids?
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90 Blood Elf Paladin
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Tanks have longer LFR queues than DPS do, and all that delicious Haste gear (which is outstanding for tanking, as long as it lacks Crit) is reserved for queueing as Ret.

For PvP, Prot Paladins have really bad mobility and it makes us rather undesirable as a flag carrier; add in a vulnerability to silence, and Prot Paladin is quite possibly the least desired PvP spec in the game. In random BGs, though, you can sit on a flag and guard it like a champ, tossing out support moves onto your pocket healer/DPS (make sure it's a caster who doesn't mind a BoP!) and just refusing to die until backup can arrive.

You won't kill anything like that, but I've had games in AB where I just camped the blacksmith and held it forever. There's something to be said for two guys (you and a healer) being able to keep a node safe forever.
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100 Dwarf Paladin
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I'm leveling up this char on a new server. No gear pass downs, no gold pass downs. Been running as prot for the majority of it. Always tanking dungeons. I have the advantage of knowing most of the dungeons from playing since release but I have no BoA gear. Lower levels I was doing almost half of the overall damage of the dungeon. The few times I ran as dps my damage was low low low. When I didn't want to tank a dungeon I just ran as dps but stayed in prot spec with RF turned off. Still usually managed to do half the damage unless it was another pally tank most of the time. Prot is the way to go IMHO.
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90 Human Paladin
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I leveled my paladin in a time before BoA's and Multispec, and i did prot the whole way, i was also an engineer and had the engineering shield that did reflective damage, so i would just run around EPL for like hours and aoe packs ^__^
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100 Human Paladin
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Protection is actually a better DPS spec than Retribution from 10-60ish. Avenger's Shield is *that* good. You can also basically solo dungeons at level (particularly with BoAs), the rest of the group is there to make the run go faster and give you a teleport to the dungeon. Be nice to them anyways; tanks have enough of an issue with reputations as jerks at 90.

After that the specs start diverging heavily. At endgame Protection is pretty much limited to a PvE spec. You can have some limited success as a harasser/node guard in random BGs, but RBGs and Arenas are just painful. That said, it's pretty decent right up until probably the 80-85 bracket.

Stat-wise, low level you're just as well off using DPS plate as tank plate. As you approach endgame there are two models for gearing. Some people prefer to go the traditional route of Mastery/Dodge/Parry, but personally I find going for Hit/Expertise softcaps and then focusing on Haste/Mastery is much more engaging and with Vengeance lets you do a pretty significant chunk of your group's damage as well.
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90 Human Paladin
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well, focusing on dodge/parry is just WRONG, since mastery, haste and even stam are stronger stats then them this expansion, there ARE two viable methods of playing prot at 90

BUT you've got them wrong

it's

Hit to 7%, Exp to 15% for BOTH playstyles

the difference is one focus's mastery build the other focus's haste build.

there is no softcap for expertise it's 15% or pointless
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80 Undead Warlock
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Camaeris:

Stat-wise, low level you're just as well off using DPS plate as tank plate. As you approach endgame there are two models for gearing. Some people prefer to go the traditional route of Mastery/Dodge/Parry, but personally I find going for Hit/Expertise softcaps and then focusing on Haste/Mastery is much more engaging and with Vengeance lets you do a pretty significant chunk of your group's damage as well.

I wholeheartedly support this in theory. You can't go wrong with capping Hit and Expertise, most often you would look for this anyway, since utility is major and much of the DPS-side is so very minor!
Edited by Ideal on 3/5/2013 12:07 PM PST
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90 Draenei Paladin
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I tank in my DPS armor, i simply toss in x2 tanking trinkets and 1h weapon + tank shield. For H Dungeons it's pretty good, on trash you can get 1st or 2nd easy. Have not tried to tank raid LFR or other wise yet.

@Barfus 15% Exp and 7% Hit? I get the hit, but that is over kill on Exp. I rather toss that in to haste or mastery personally. Still i am curious why 15% Exp??
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Dodged / Parried Holy Power generators fail. So you actually lose out on mitigation with it being only 7.5% Expertise. To be fully effective, you need 7.5% Hit and 15% Expertise.
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90 Draenei Paladin
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Dodged / Parried Holy Power generators fail. So you actually lose out on mitigation with it being only 7.5% Expertise. To be fully effective, you need 7.5% Hit and 15% Expertise.


15% for tanking got yah... I missed the prot part in her post. For a second i was going to go the hell 15% on my ret?!
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Ret remains the same - mostly because you usually will fight the target from behind (so no hits are Parried). Enemies can only parry when you face them. So yes, 7.5% Hit / Expertise for Ret.
Edited by Bassm on 3/5/2013 2:26 PM PST
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50 Human Hunter
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Really awesome responses! Thanks a lot everyone, better than any guide I've read. Keep 'em coming...
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90 Blood Elf Paladin
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TL;DR

As prot pally, 1 - 61, I would say absolutely do it. My offspec is holy, which I almost never use, and it was ret prior, and I've played pally before in vanilla and bc so I'm somewhat familiar with the class albeit no expert.

Check out my spec. I have to say, I'm fully expecting a nerf from this spec, as with it I top damage in dungeons (both as tank and dps), damage in BG's (along with killing blows and HK's) and I haven't lost a 1v1 duel with anyone within 3 levels above me yet.

I'm not bragging, I'm saying do it yourself. I pvp'd while dungeon grinding to 50, when the class really opens up with Grand Crusader. Then I switched my glyphs around for more damage (Harsh Words, and Final Wrath) and finished to 60 when I bought the pvp gear (cost around 5 or 600). The extra health and resilience helps, but I was already murdering everyone and now it's just silly sometimes.

Sidenote: thinking of taking Selfless Healer over shield, thoughts?

It's so much fun to be this non-stop train of highly resilient damage, with some heals to boot.
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