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This trinket looks good on paper, but on 5 min fight, proc 0 time... I'm combat, reforge haste and it never proc. I'm afraid to test it in Assassination. My Heroic Bottle of Infinite Star is better than my RSC 522... Working as intended?

A lot of the trinkets this tier are really bad. Your heroic bottle will be better then every normal mode trinket and better then some heroic mode trinkets.

Bugged then. Should be proccing close to every 30 sec. That trinket is very very good (when it works.)

Bugged then. Should be proccing close to every 30 sec. That trinket is very very good (when it works.)

I don't think you understand how the Rppm system works.

On topic its the same for hunters. Heroic 2/2 bottle-2/2 Xuen and 2/2 H-terror simming up to heroic trinkets and surpassing most of them.

The larger issue is unlike a standard ICD and high proc chance (10%) trinket, RPPM trinkets have a huge variance. This is especially true of the low RPPM trinkets like Renataki's and Bad Juju.

Consider for instance 2 trinkets, one "standard" with a 60 second ICD and 20% chance to proc on melee attack or ability. Lets just assume you have 1 melee ability per second for ease of calculation but this same logic applies regardless. With this trinket you have a 50% chance of seeing a proc within 3 seconds a 90% chance of seeing a proc within 11 seconds and a 99% chance to see a proc within 21 seconds so your worst case ICD is around 81 seconds with typical around 63 seconds.

Now lets consider an RPPM trinket like bad juju, .5 RPPM on melee attack or ability. Assume 20% haste, your chance to proc per event is 1%. Your 50% chance to see a proc is at 68 seconds, and your 99% proc chance is within 458 seconds.

Don't pay attention to the effective ICDs they are somewhat arbitrary but look at the realistic swing range. For our ICD trinket the difference between typical and worst case (50% and 99% respectively) is 18 seconds. For the RPPM trinket its 390 seconds.

I don't think you understand how the Rppm system works.

On topic its the same for hunters. Heroic 2/2 bottle-2/2 Xuen and 2/2 H-terror simming up to heroic trinkets and surpassing most of them.

I fully understand it; what I am saying is that , this system a lows the trink to proc with such low frequency that it is a poor choice. So if you can prove me wrong, I, as I said, would love to see, and benefit from it, but as I see it there is no reason to chose this trinket over the 5.1 trinket.
I am saying this from experience, having the item in game and testing there, not symply theory crafting., through mathematics.

I guess what I am really saying is that I don't understand why we would have trinks with such variance , that cause them to be a null in a slot. most fights are around 5 mins long, and If it will not proc once in that amount of time stacking 20% haste to increase the proc frequency. it is the same as being trinket-less in the slot.

I guess what I am really saying is that I don't understand why we would have trinks with such variance , that cause them to be a null in a slot. most fights are around 5 mins long, and If it will not proc once in that amount of time stacking 20% haste to increase the proc frequency. it is the same as being trinket-less in the slot.

This is why I think Shadow-pan assault Trinket is a better choice.. but 105 internal cooldown.

03/07/2013 06:04 PMPosted by Acë

I guess what I am really saying is that I don't understand why we would have trinks with such variance , that cause them to be a null in a slot. most fights are around 5 mins long, and If it will not proc once in that amount of time stacking 20% haste to increase the proc frequency. it is the same as being trinket-less in the slot.

This is why I think Shadow-pan assault Trinket is a better choice.. but 105 internal cooldown.

Yeah I think your're right. And I also think they are going to change the proc rate for this one soon.

hmm... I've been using it as Subtlety with pretty effective results :S

Sometimes It procs twice back to back. Perhaps it is the faster rate of atatcks.

This is why I think Shadow-pan assault Trinket is a better choice.. but 105 internal cooldown.

Yeah I think your're right. And I also think they are going to change the proc rate for this one soon.

Why I'm holding on to my Relic. I had better sim results with a valor trinket and Heroic Bottle (even without upgrades) than any other combination of trinkets, including reg mode ToT stuff. What's keeping the Shado-Pan trinket above 5.1 trinkets is the fact it's on a static ICD and not a RPPM which kinda suck for specs who avoid Haste like the plague.

hmm... I've been using it as Subtlety with pretty effective results :S

Sometimes It procs twice back to back. Perhaps it is the faster rate of atatcks.

RPPM procs will come up more for specs who more actively go for Haste. Like a Sub Rogue. Meanwhile, they're pretty terrible due to the low base proc rate for specs like Survival who have little. That doesn't mean it's good for those specs either. It means that they're bad for those who like Haste at the 522 ilvl and awful for those who avoid it.

RPPM procs will come up more for specs who more actively go for Haste. Like a Sub Rogue. Meanwhile, they're pretty terrible due to the low base proc rate for specs like Survival who have little. That doesn't mean it's good for those specs either. It means that they're bad for those who like Haste at the 522 ilvl and awful for those who avoid it.

So, as a BM hunter, it might as well be a chew toy for Nerfbat then?

/sigh - I remember being so excited to get the original ZG's Renataki's trinket...

03/08/2013 11:19 AMPosted by Verdash

RPPM procs will come up more for specs who more actively go for Haste. Like a Sub Rogue. Meanwhile, they're pretty terrible due to the low base proc rate for specs like Survival who have little. That doesn't mean it's good for those specs either. It means that they're bad for those who like Haste at the 522 ilvl and awful for those who avoid it.

So, as a BM hunter, it might as well be a chew toy for Nerfbat then?

/sigh - I remember being so excited to get the original ZG's Renataki's trinket...

Until Heroic, yes. And even then it's just from sheer numbers.

i just finished a ToT progression raid and got the 522 trinket, i have 3 trinkets i wanna choose 2, i have Relic of Xuen 476, Rentaki and Viscious Talismin. Testing on the dummies, unbuffed i get to around 80k dps with relic of xuen and any1 of the 522 trinks with shadowblades+vendetta up, however with both 522 trinks i got to around 100k unbuffed. These were just for me tho, i find that both trinkets are only good if all ur hit/exp comes from these trinkets, if i didnt reforge my gear it would definitely be unsuccessful