The "Alliance" is vague

90 Troll Hunter
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So does one think of the current Alliance and the "Alliance of Lordaeron" independently of one another? Or are they the same thing?

Did the original break up and later get reformed with similar goals and purposes in mind? Does or doesn't that make it a separate power altogether?

Or is it the same Alliance just a different capitol?
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58 Undead Death Knight
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Same organisation, different membership. The original Alliance never broke up and then reformed, it's just the focus of it shifted. There never was an Alliance capital in any official capacity, and there isn't now.

Aerie Peak, Dalaran, Ironforge, Gnomeragon, Stormwind and Stromgarde all came out of the RTS games still in the Alliance, but then during that period, some other nations joined up as well.

And they all tend to join the Alliance for one reason. Mutual protection.
Edited by Gandred on 3/17/2013 2:56 AM PDT
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25 Blood Elf Paladin
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It's the same organization.
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85 Human Death Knight
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Same Alliance, same Horde. The membership's just expanded somewhat.
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100 Night Elf Hunter
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"The Grand Alliance of Lordaeron" is dead, but "The Alliance" lives on.

Much like how the "League of Nations" is dead but the "United Nations" lives on.
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90 Orc Death Knight
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"The Grand Alliance of Lordaeron" is dead, but "The Alliance" lives on.

Much like how the "League of Nations" is dead but the "United Nations" lives on.


This.
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"The Grand Alliance of Lordaeron" is dead, but "The Alliance" lives on.

Much like how the "League of Nations" is dead but the "United Nations" lives on.


With the added provision that the current UN is claiming to include Siam, and Prussia.
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42 Human Hunter
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"The Grand Alliance of Lordaeron" is dead, but "The Alliance" lives on.

Much like how the "League of Nations" is dead but the "United Nations" lives on.


Pretty much this.

Members expanded, left and returned, even split and/or switched. It's the same organization, they just don't call it the Grand Alliance of Lordaeron anymore.
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90 Human Death Knight
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"The Grand Alliance of Lordaeron" is dead, but "The Alliance" lives on.

Much like how the "League of Nations" is dead but the "United Nations" lives on.


Members expanded, left and returned, even split and/or switched. It's the same organization, they just don't call it the Grand Alliance of Lordaeron anymore.


Bumping this to say that the Alliance is still called the "Grand Alliance". It's just that it's not the "Alliance of Lordaeron" anymore. (Although it still carries on the key ideals and traditions that the Alliance of Lordaeron once held.)
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63 Draenei Paladin
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Same Alliance with a different name and Elune(using the Night Elf leadership) has demanded it to be the "Alliance of Stromwind"(irregardless of what the Gnomes, Draenei and Dwarves think).
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25 Blood Elf Paladin
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Let's see.

Alliance fans say it's the same Alliance.

Horde fans say it isn't.

Why is that?
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25 Blood Elf Paladin
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Bumping this to say that the Alliance is still called the "Grand Alliance". It's just that it's not the "Alliance of Lordaeron" anymore. (Although it still carries on the key ideals and traditions that the Alliance of Lordaeron once held.)


Technically it's still the Alliance of Lordaeron, but calling it such is rather painful considering the circumstances.

"The Grand Alliance of Lordaeron" is dead, but "The Alliance" lives on.

Much like how the "League of Nations" is dead but the "United Nations" lives on.


The League of Nations disbanded via unanimous vote when WWII broke out. The Alliance of Lordaeron never disbanded.
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Let's see.

Alliance fans say it's the same Alliance.

Horde fans say it isn't.

Why is that?


Stop trying to light a fire, seems like everyone agrees that its still the same just changed... evolved if you will.
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100 Blood Elf Paladin
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It's pretty obviously a different Alliance at this point.

Hell, by now they've added three new races that have little-to-nothing to do with the old Alliance. (Gilneas backed out, remember? And now they're Werewolves.)
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25 Blood Elf Paladin
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NATO became a different organization when France left for nearly a decade and then rejoined.

Right?
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42 Human Hunter
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It's pretty obviously a different Alliance at this point.

Hell, by now they've added three new races that have little-to-nothing to do with the old Alliance. (Gilneas backed out, remember? And now they're Werewolves.)


You don't become a different organization just because your roster expanded.
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100 Blood Elf Paladin
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NATO became a different organization when France left for nearly a decade and then rejoined.

Right?


I'm sure even you can agree that Lordaeron never came back to the Alliance.
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25 Blood Elf Paladin
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I'm sure even you can agree that Lordaeron never came back to the Alliance.


Lordaeron never left the Alliance. It was destroyed, but its people are still Alliance and even set up a new government in Kalimdor.

But even if it didn't it wouldn't suddenly make the Alliance fundamentally different. If we're going to say it's a "different Alliance" ever time a member joined, left, or rejoined then there'd be well over ten "Alliances" now.
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100 Human Paladin
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Interesting to consider how "the Alliance" will evolve in the future. Perhaps, if the Horde actually win the war, and form a sort of global "Empire" (with Thrall as Emperor, of course he was just pretending to be good to rise to the top) if you will; would the remnant of the Alliance of Stormwind be called "the Rebel Alliance" perhaps?
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100 Blood Elf Paladin
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It's pretty obviously a different Alliance at this point.

Hell, by now they've added three new races that have little-to-nothing to do with the old Alliance. (Gilneas backed out, remember? And now they're Werewolves.)


You don't become a different organization just because your roster expanded.


I believe the only state that has continuously been in the Alliance since it's inception, without a major cataclysm, is the Dwarves. Everyone else has been nearly destroyed and rebuilt.
Edited by Veloran on 3/18/2013 8:55 PM PDT
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