KulTiras, Kvaldir, OldGod, & EK.

90 Human Rogue
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Heres an idea to develop the conflict in the Northern Kingdom that gives both factions lore and doesn't upset the Status quo of the game.

Danath Trollbane returns to Azeroth and he and Genn Greymane make an effort to reclaim Stromgarde,Arathi, and Gilneas for the Alliance.

Meanwhile Kvaldir raiders assault KulTiras and King Proudmore requests aid from Stormwind and Stromgarde.

Sylvanas sees this weakness and sends fleets to KulTiras to keep the Alliance focused on the island conflict and away from Forsaken Lordaeron.

Little do they know, Nazjatar rises from the Seas. At the command of its Queen.
Edited by Kenthil on 3/21/2013 11:24 PM PDT
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I can't find a better way to say this so I'm just going to say it.

This post has so much stupid in it I'm not sure why I have to tell you what's wrong with it.
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90 Human Warrior
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Some interesting ideas, but the story jumps around so much that it would be hard to follow.

One of Catacylsm's worst mistakes was not having a more centralized and focused story arc.

It is a mistake that I hope Blizzard does not repeat.
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Danath Trollbane returns to Azeroth and he and Genn Greymane make an effort to reclaim Stromgarde and Arathi for the Alliance.

Why would Genn help Trollbane reclaim a Kingdom that has been lost for over a decade when he still has to worry about reclaiming Gilneas, which is still mostly intact?

Meanwhile Kvaldir raiders assault KulTiras and King Proudmore requests aid from Stormwind and Stromgarde.

Why would you be requesting aid from a human kingdom that isn't even reclaimed yet?

We can say that the Kvaldir were corrupted by an Old God of the deep who was opposed to NZoth and needed an army to help battle against NZoths faceless army, finding servants in the Seafaring Vrykul. Now the Kvaldir rise to invade the surface, heralding the return of this horror of the Deep.

Why would we have another Old God in the deeps?

Sylvanas sees this weakness and sends fleets to KulTiras to keep the Alliance focused on the island conflict and away from Forsaken Lordaeron.

Why would Sylvanas go invade a human kingdom that's already under siege from another threat, a threat that could still invade her kingdom?

03/21/2013 10:19 PMPosted by Kenthil
Meanwhile in the mountains of the Hinterlands, a sect of the Cult of Damned under the command of one of the powerful San'lyn (one of the few present at Arugal's ressurection and thus in Azeroth nearby and not in Northrend when the Scourge was destroyed) have sworn allegiance to a Dreadlord of the Legion and have begun to work a plot to summon the Burning Legion into the heart of this conflict.

Why the hell would the Cult of the Damned work with the Legion? Where would they even do this in the Hinterlands? There's Dwarves and Trolls EVERYWHERE. I'm sure someone would notice some demons running amuck.

And on the other side of the continent.

General Shandris, Commander Jarod, and Cenarius leading the armies of the Alliance have been cleaning house in Ashenvale and heroes of the Horde are needed to aid the Kor'Kron in preventing the battle from pouring into Azshara and Durotar.

This wouldn't happen post-Mists if the war is over. And Kalimdor is its own continent, not "the other side" of the Eastern Kingdoms, which in itself is actually three continents.

Malfurion has returned to the Dream to aid Ysera in attempting to mend the damage caused by Xavius and the Old God, only to learn that the Nightmare persists at the behest of a Dreadlord, seeking to corrupt the energies of the Dream to create a portal strong enough that Sargeras may use it to enter Azeroth and lay waste to all life.
So pretty much this conflict you just created made the book Stormrage irrelevant because there's still a huge issue in the Emerald Dream.

Malfurion and Ysera must secretly ask heroes of the factions to set aside their hatreds and enter the Dream as a unified force to fend off the Legion and the Nightmare.

Why would they secretly ask the heroes of the Horde and Alliance to work together when we're capable of doing it every other time there's a threat we must stop?

Little do they know, Nazjatar rises from the Seas. At the command of its Queen.

Azshara wouldn't burst in where there's many different conflicts going on. She'd burst in when there's none because she would want all the attention on her. She's the most selfish character Blizzard has written.

There, we have a whole expac of content just waiting to be delved into. No faction is favored. And no pandas. Also the Alliance doesn't look like a bunch of backwards yokels for once.

No, we have a whole lot of crap going on everywhere that makes no sense. This idea is possibly worse than the crap we got in Cataclysm, and I thought that was impossible to do. Congratulations. You win the crappiest expansion idea ever award.
Edited by Lorelaî on 3/21/2013 10:55 PM PDT
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80 Dwarf Paladin
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If Kul tiras or Azshara is ever involved, it would have to be a south sea themed expansion with a "continent" worth of islands group together. This sea of islands would no doubt involve sinking Zandalari capital, the broken isles, Hiji, Plunder isles, Kul tiras, and potentially an underwater or above water nazjatar.

Unlikely in all event would blizzard repeat the separate but not intricately connected stories of cata.

And it is unlikely that blizzard would go the we need more resources in pandaria for war route taken on in mist.

For a south sea expansion to work, there must be a separate impetus, not necessarily world threatening, but sufficiently necessary for horde and alliance involvement. Nazjatar rising from sea bed is good for example. So is stopping XX from finding sargeras's avatar in the broken isle.

If the emerald dream ever make an appearance, it would be a patch with 1 zone instead of a continent expansion. It would be something like firelands. And it would have to be connected with the threat in the south sea to a certain degree.
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90 Human Rogue
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Yeah I knew the post would be bad, I just wanted to see the massive holes present in the ideas.

And I meant in Kalimdor on the other side of the planet, not continent.

So far the only positive ideas are the ones that would involve the South Seas and Islands (Kul Tiras and Nazjatar)

I will edit out the stupid now.

Edit: it does look more plausible with a focus on the Eastern Kingdoms Naval warfare aspect. I don't want to revist old world either but I would like to see the North expanded upon a little bit without making it hell for lvling.

I only threw in the junk with Kalimdor to make it seem not so heavily focused on Human/Undead.

Maybe give Kezan's remains and the status of Undermine some development as well, a neutral hub perhaps?
Edited by Kenthil on 3/21/2013 11:26 PM PDT
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I will edit out the stupid now.

It will forever remain because I quoted every bit of stupid.
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90 Human Rogue
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I'll answer a few questions but we can ignore the Kalimdor ED stuff because I just threw that crap in there last minute as a "Well why not?" kind of thing and I agree its a tad stupid.

Why would Genn help Trollbane reclaim a Kingdom that has been lost for over a decade when he still has to worry about reclaiming Gilneas, which is still mostly intact?


I changed it to include reclaim Gilneas as well, Sylvanas is hurting for troops, but not ships if Wrath is anything to go by. Being attacked from both Silverpine and Arathi would be very detrimental to the Forsaken war effort.

Why would you be requesting aid from a human kingdom that isn't even reclaimed yet?


Maybe Stromgarde was the wrong nation, Dalaran led by Jaina Proudmore instead?

Why would we have another Old God in the deeps?


Well there isnt a whole lot of space when you go deep enough, and Old Gods are implied to be pretty large, Yogg-Saron was able to extend his tentacles from Ulduar all the way to Gruzzly hills and maybe further.

Why would Sylvanas go invade a human kingdom that's already under siege from another threat, a threat that could still invade her kingdom?


The Queen's Navy is apparently very impressive in size, but you can't effectively use a naval force on land. By pushing her opponents to battle on the seas she can create an effective barrier at the walls between Arathi and Hillsbrad and the Bulwark at East Tirisfal.

The only way to reach her then would be to secure a beachhead in Gilneas (which apparently the Alliance is very nearly close to doing), or to footslog troops across the Troll lands of the Hinterlands.

Why the hell would the Cult of the Damned work with the Legion?


The demons of the Legion created Necromancy, and the Cult no longer has its King after the death of Arthas. They felt like they were wedged into MoP without a reason because we had already cleared Scolo in Vanilla, but it was somehow still 'there'. I'm not saying Scholo is back, but a small group of cultists hiding in the wilderness of Lordaeron masquerading as a common village isolated from the conflict wouldn't seem TOO out of place.

Where would they even do this in the Hinterlands? There's Dwarves and Trolls EVERYWHERE. I'm sure someone would notice some demons running amuck.


Well Northern Lordaeron isn't possible because of the Faction conflicts, and the Argents presence. The mountains of the Hinterlands are vast (maybe not in gameplay terms) and it would be easy to hide among the mountains so long as you keep a low profile. Nathrezim are masters of deception until its too late. Look at what just one can do to the Scarlet Crusade, or the Onslaught, or the Undercity.

And yes, I agree with you that the Kalimdor segment was just dumb.

But in Cata (and once again this is CATA so we will take everything about it with a grain of salt) apparently the corruption of the Nightmare persists. As you travel through the Dream temporarily to escort Fandral away from Twilight insurgents you are attacked by spawn of the Nightmare. I'm not saying its the best idea. But for Vanilla to build up this big catastrophe in the Nightmare and give us quests for it, only to have nearly all of it resolved in a book was a big letdown.

By giving us a legitimate reason to go there (the corruption persists and the Dreadlords are planning to turn its energy into a portal that could effectively TPK the planet) we can have what could possibly be an entire tier/patch of content.


Azshara wouldn't burst in where there's many different conflicts going on. She'd burst in when there's none because she would want all the attention on her. She's the most selfish character Blizzard has written.


Nazjatar is below the Maelstrom. Where it to rise it would be RIGHT on top of Thrall as he is (or maybe has just finished) fixing the tear caused by Deathwing. Were is to rise he would rush to make a call for heroes, and we could develop the fate of Kezan and the South Seas as well.

And if Azshara herself rose her capital from the sea, then she quickly would become the focus. Im not saying we devote an entire expac to the Dream, that could be a patch that would be an in and out quick band aid fix, just in time for Malfurion to return to Azeroth to face Azshara.
Edited by Kenthil on 3/21/2013 11:50 PM PDT
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90 Draenei Paladin
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03/21/2013 11:05 PMPosted by Blitzhammer
For a south sea expansion to work, there must be a separate impetus, not necessarily world threatening, but sufficiently necessary for horde and alliance involvement. Nazjatar rising from sea bed is good for example. So is stopping XX from finding sargeras's avatar in the broken isle.


I kind of like the idea of a threat that's not world threatening but needs to be taken care of. Still hoping we get some kind of Naval battle event/scenario/battleground.
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