Warlocks need some love

90 Undead Warlock
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Replace harvest life with Demonic Aegis. Increases Fel armor healing taken from 10% to 30% Glyph of drain life is now glyph of harvest life.

Old soul link. Non-felguard/wrathguard health increase. When sacrificed, will provide DR.

Malefic grasp now searing pain. Same spell, but fire school.

Oh, and get rid of soul burn soul swap so DOTs can actually do appreciable damage.
Edited by Facespace on 3/22/2013 10:39 AM PDT
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90 Human Warlock
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How to fix affliction:

1. Remove MG and Soulburn-Soul Swap

2. Dots do 60% more damage.

Done.

The thing is, though.. This kind of stuff requires a complete class/spec overhaul and would massively impact PvE. While I think we'd all like something like this to happen, it's not very realistic to believe that Blizzard would implement something that would affect PvE like that (since, you know, the vast majority of the people who play this game are PvE'ers).
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90 Undead Warlock
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I've been arenaing as mostly demo this season, and quite honestly the only classes that I feel helpless against are rogues and bm hunters. Now granted i'm only playing at the 2k bracket with an mmr under 2200 at the moment but my gear is dog!@#$ after getting such a late start last season.

Destro isn't really viable in arena, yes a few players can make a case for it in certain setups. But play destro...without cds the damage is not what everyone thinks the class is. If let alone completely yes chaos bolt + incinerate spam can kill someone. But take any other caster and place them in a free casting situation and I promise you you'll die much faster. I think there was a recent burst video that showed destro lock were near the bottom of the list 100-0ing a geared player free casting getting blown away by fire/frost mages and shadow priests both.

So the "retarded burst cast chaos boltlololololol" spec is getting beaten by every other caster at what its purpose.

Bottomline all 3 specs are workable but by no means are dominant at anything. And afflic is at the bottom of the arena barrel right now.
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90 Human Warlock
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Bottomline all 3 specs are workable but by no means are dominant at anything. And afflic is at the bottom of the arena barrel right now.


The problem with demo and destro is synergy. They don't really bring anything to the table that fits with other classes. In almost all cases, your team would be better off with any other caster besides the demo/destro lock.

Aff at least brings meaningful dispel protection, and to be honest, is the only reason its used in MLS/MLD, shadowcleave, etc. If Demo and Destro brought dispel protection, there would literally be 0 reason to ever play affliction.

I agree with what you're saying overall. +1
Edited by Whitehat on 3/22/2013 10:50 AM PDT
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Classes that can stop/negate burst CDs :

Priest: Dispersion
Rogue: Vanish
Hunter: Deterrence
Mage: Iceblock
Pally: Bubble
Monk: Karma (WW)

Sort of:
*Druid occasionally with Resto Symbiosis
*Warrior: Die by the Sword (only against melee)

Classes that excel at getting trained into the ground:
Warlocks (Dark Bargain and Sac Pact don't cut it, and most locks know that)
DPS Shams
Healing Priests

Not really a surprise they are often the classes that really complain for some love. Immunity Abilities are game changers when used properly and should be available in some form to all dps specs, in my opinion.
Edited by Fontaine on 3/22/2013 12:09 PM PDT
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90 Human Hunter
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Oh snap. I guess I just haven't seen too many Warriors of late.

I don't know, Locks have some great cooldowns now.


yeah, and they are all used in the opener to survive, it's just too easy to tunnel a warlock and with how life tap works it's almost always the best option.


Ever think that maybe you are the issue here? Not trying to be mean but locks really arent in a bad spot right now, not destro and demo anyway.
Edited by Cleanyak on 3/22/2013 12:49 PM PDT
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90 Undead Priest
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03/22/2013 08:10 AMPosted by Whitehat
3. Affliction is too reliant on casts.


Soulburn: (Soul Swap)
Applies Corruption, Unstable Affliction and Agony without removing them from a target.
Edited by Conslol on 3/22/2013 12:48 PM PDT
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90 Human Warlock
7430
Original thread
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/8402400295#new-post

Proof not silly proclomations or declarations without any supporting facts. None of this well all 15 of the top warlocks in the world who I drink beer with regularly say this.... No well my boyfriend's, ex-wife's, mother's, god son who is sponsored by X gaming company to play nothing but warlcok states.

To quote the iconic Friday "Just the Facts Ma'am, just the facts."

Afflic Lock 3s ladder by BtlGrp 2k and up
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/pvp/arena/bloodlust/3v3?comp=9%3A1&team=&realm=&faction=&minRating=2000&maxRating=&compType=filter
Cyclone=0
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/pvp/arena/emberstorm/3v3?comp=9%3A1&team=&realm=&faction=&minRating=2000&maxRating=&compType=filter
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/pvp/arena/nightfall/3v3?comp=9%3A1&team=&realm=&faction=&minRating=2000&maxRating=&compType=filter
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/pvp/arena/rampage/3v3?comp=9%3A1&team=&realm=&faction=&minRating=2000&maxRating=&compType=filter
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/pvp/arena/reckoning/3v3?comp=9%3A1&team=&realm=&faction=&minRating=2000&maxRating=&compType=filter
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/pvp/arena/retaliation/3v3?comp=9%3A1&team=&realm=&faction=&minRating=2000&maxRating=&compType=filter
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/pvp/arena/ruin/3v3?comp=9%3A1&team=&realm=&faction=&minRating=2000&maxRating=&compType=filter
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/pvp/arena/shadowburn/3v3?comp=9%3A1&team=&realm=&faction=&minRating=2000&maxRating=&compType=filter
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/pvp/arena/stormstrike/3v3?comp=9%3A1&team=&realm=&faction=&minRating=2000&maxRating=&compType=filter
Vengeance=0
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/pvp/arena/vindication/3v3?comp=9%3A1&team=&realm=&faction=&minRating=2000&maxRating=&compType=filter
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/pvp/arena/whirlwind/3v3?comp=9%3A1&team=&realm=&faction=&minRating=2000&maxRating=&compType=filter

Destro Lock 3s ladder by BtlGrp 2k and up
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/pvp/arena/bloodlust/3v3?comp=9%3A3&team=&realm=&faction=&minRating=2000&maxRating=&compType=filter
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/pvp/arena/cyclone/3v3?comp=9%3A3&team=&realm=&faction=&minRating=2000&maxRating=&compType=filter
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/pvp/arena/emberstorm/3v3?comp=9%3A3&team=&realm=&faction=&minRating=2000&maxRating=&compType=filter
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/pvp/arena/nightfall/3v3?comp=9%3A3&team=&realm=&faction=&minRating=2000&maxRating=&compType=filter
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/pvp/arena/rampage/3v3?comp=9%3A3&team=&realm=&faction=&minRating=2000&maxRating=&compType=filter
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/pvp/arena/reckoning/3v3?comp=9%3A3&team=&realm=&faction=&minRating=2000&maxRating=&compType=filter
Retaliation=0
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/pvp/arena/ruin/3v3?comp=9%3A3&team=&realm=&faction=&minRating=2000&maxRating=&compType=filter
Shadowburn=0
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/pvp/arena/stormstrike/3v3?comp=9%3A3&team=&realm=&faction=&minRating=2000&maxRating=&compType=filter
Vengeance=0
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/pvp/arena/vindication/3v3?comp=9%3A3&team=&realm=&faction=&minRating=2000&maxRating=&compType=filter
Whirlwind=0

Demo Lock 3s ladder by BtlGrp 2k and up
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/pvp/arena/bloodlust/3v3?comp=9%3A2&team=&realm=&faction=&minRating=2000&maxRating=&compType=filter
Cyclone=0
Emberstorm=0
Nightfall=0
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/pvp/arena/rampage/3v3?comp=9%3A2&team=&realm=&faction=&minRating=2000&maxRating=&compType=filter
Reckoning-0
Retaliation=0
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/pvp/arena/ruin/3v3?comp=9%3A2&team=&realm=&faction=&minRating=2000&maxRating=&compType=filter
Shadowburn=0
Stormstrike=0
Vengeance=0
Vindiction=0
Whirlwind=0

Affliction total=22 affliction locks playing at or above 2k
Destruction total =23 Destruction locks playing at or above 2k
Demonology total =3 Demonology locks playing at or above 2k
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90 Human Warlock
7430
Reviewing the results further
2200 Rated
Affliction 8
Destro 4
Demo 1
2300 Rated
Affliction 2
Destro 2
Demo 0
2400
Affliction 0
Destro 1
Demo 0

Disclaimer I individually compared each bracket to attempt to remove duplicate teams. However I am human and can make mistakes. To the best of my knowledge no teams or locks were duplicated from one list to the others.


Rated Battle Ground Comparison 2200 and up
Affliction Locks
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/pvp/battlegrounds/?spec=9%3A1&characterName=&battleGroup=&realm=&faction=&minRating=2200&maxRating=&specType=filter

Affliction total = 23
2200 = 7
2300 = 12
2400 = 2
2500 = 1
2700 = 1

Destro Locks total = 59
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/pvp/battlegrounds/?spec=9%3A3&characterName=&battleGroup=&realm=&faction=&minRating=2200&maxRating=&specType=filter
2200 = 34
2300 = 13
2400 = 8
2500 = 3
2600 = 1

Demo Locks
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/pvp/battlegrounds/?spec=9%3A2&characterName=&battleGroup=&realm=&faction=&minRating=2200&maxRating=&specType=filter

Demo total = 7
2200 = 3
2300 = 1
2400 = 1
2600 = 2
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90 Human Warlock
7430
The fact is locks especially Affliction has been moved AWAY from multidotting and slowly killing them softly while giggling in LoS. The new design of affliction is to be single target through dots, haunt, while CHANNELING MG and DS while maintaining very minimal spread dots outside of DS.

The spec has evolved, evolve with it or continue to fail. The choice is yours.
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90 Human Warlock
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Soulburn: (Soul Swap)
Applies Corruption, Unstable Affliction and Agony without removing them from a target.

And you realize that damage comes from haunt and MG right? Which has to be constantly channeled right?
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90 Human Warlock
6640
Reviewing the results further
2200 Rated
Affliction 8
Destro 4
Demo 1
2300 Rated
Affliction 2
Destro 2
Demo 0
2400
Affliction 0
Destro 1
Demo 0

Disclaimer I individually compared each bracket to attempt to remove duplicate teams. However I am human and can make mistakes. To the best of my knowledge no teams or locks were duplicated from one list to the others.


The numbers have changed since you did those searches.

It's now 20 aff, 19 destro, 3 demo above 2k... In all of the battlegroups combined.

That being said, the armory doesn't know what spec these players actually play games in, and a lot of these players are on teams with more than 3 people. I would imagine that a good number of the destruction players have that spec for RBGs and actually play arenas as affliction.

Do this same search for death knights, hunters, priests, rogues, mages, shaman, etc..

Warlock representation is not good by any stretch.. just peruse the battlegroups yourself.
Edited by Whitehat on 3/22/2013 1:35 PM PDT
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90 Human Warlock
6640

The spec has evolved, evolve with it or continue to fail. The choice is yours.

Not to be a meanie, but you're not exactly speaking from experience here.
Edited by Whitehat on 3/22/2013 1:33 PM PDT
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90 Human Warlock
7430
Reviewing the results further
2200 Rated
Affliction 8
Destro 4
Demo 1
2300 Rated
Affliction 2
Destro 2
Demo 0
2400
Affliction 0
Destro 1
Demo 0

Disclaimer I individually compared each bracket to attempt to remove duplicate teams. However I am human and can make mistakes. To the best of my knowledge no teams or locks were duplicated from one list to the others.


The numbers have changed since you did those searches.

It's now 20 aff, 19 destro, 3 demo above 2k... In all of the battlegroups combined.

That being said, the armory doesn't know what spec these players actually play games in, and a lot of these players are on teams with more than 3 people. I would imagine that a good number of the destruction players have that spec for RBGs and actually play arenas as affliction.

Do this same search for death knights, hunters, priests, rogues, mages, shaman, etc..

Warlock representation is not good by any stretch..


If you do the search that I did it will tell you that they played that spec when they actually got that rating. Doing the same search with all the other specs you would need to know how many total lvl 90s there of each class and how many of those said 90s actually participate in arena. You would then have to base your findings on a ratio based off number of total players to total of class to total of those that actually arena/RBG. These numbers are actually difficult to do in a short period of time. You would have to also come up with an inclusion and exclusion criteria for those that actually dont really arena consistently.

Warlocks in general are ALWAYS a least played class so representation is expected to be low.
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90 Human Warlock
6640
Warlocks in general are ALWAYS a least played class so representation is expected to be low.

Since when?

BC/WoTLK/Cata warlocks were very, very well represented.
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90 Human Warlock
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If you do the search that I did it will tell you that they played that spec when they actually got that rating. Doing the same search with all the other specs you would need to know how many total lvl 90s there of each class and how many of those said 90s actually participate in arena. You would then have to base your findings on a ratio based off number of total players to total of class to total of those that actually arena/RBG. These numbers are actually difficult to do in a short period of time. You would have to also come up with an inclusion and exclusion criteria for those that actually dont really arena consistently.

http://i.imgur.com/JfwGJu8.png

Found that on Reddit yesterday. No idea what exactly its saying. I think its sort of flawed but probably good enough to see a decent representation.

5.5% overall arena representation with all 3 specs combined. 5.1% rep 2200+
Edited by Whitehat on 3/22/2013 1:53 PM PDT
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90 Human Hunter
6950
itt: locks used to being the dominant caster in pvp by a large margin since the beginning of arenas
Edited by Borq on 3/22/2013 1:50 PM PDT
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1 Human Warrior
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Warlocks in general are ALWAYS a least played class so representation is expected to be low.


whoa, warlocks i believe in past season always had very high representation in every single season except when mop came out. If anything our class as a whole (not arena) representation has increased due to the revamp.
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90 Human Warlock
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For someone who is not trying to be mean you sure act as if you got your panties in a wad. I don't have to be on the list. I never claimed to be great or even remotely good. I do know what the class IS capable of and HOW they excel.

I played at 1800+ all last season. I have terrible hours of play and PUG all of pvp experiences. I only play affliction and I have tried at the beginning of all last season to play the "OLD SCHOOL" dot everything in sight while skipping through the daisies throwing a cc here and there and expecting targets to just keel over from dot damage.

However, unlike the masses I didn't cry and complain about dots need buffing or MG is stupid or bring back multidotting afflic spec.
I actually turned toward PVE to figure out what was making affliction such a powerhouse there and how I could apply that to PVP. I dug through some of the top ranked PVE locks playing and their logs. What I found wa intriguing, aoe fights crap damage, 1-3 target fights great damage, 1-2 target whatyoutalkingaboutWillis crazy damage. These locks were just dropping dots on a side target while maximizing dots, haunts, MGs, and DS on the main nuke and their damage was CRAZY.

Seeing this a lightbulb went off. I went back to the drawing board spent a few hours on a dummie or 2. Jumped in some randoms and was utterly amazed at the change and difference in my damage. I went from mid top of damage to 1-2 in damage and KBs. This hasn't changed through all the nerfs.

I still have an enormous time finding good teams to play on and it will take me a fair bit of time to get rating up, however I have been told many times by RBG leaders that if I played during peak times they would definitely take me on their core team.

Here is an example of low MMR affliction in action. Now keep in mind this video is low MMR and is of me only using affliction as SINGLE TARGET damage. look at the damage and KS at the end. I would like to reinterate that I am not great or remotely good so if I have this much success I can only imagine what this self proclaimed superstars could do .

Damn pretty decent group too bad they only wanted to do one to audition some people for a core team.

Anywho uploading the video.

http://youtu.be/Esh-ESN1pOg
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