New Video Card

90 Night Elf Rogue
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Hi i have a Gateway FX7020 Gaming PC

the specs in my PC are as follows

CPU = AMD Phenom 9600 (Quad Core) (Stock)
RAM = OCZ SLI Ready 800MHz Dual Channel (Upgraded)
Video Card = EVGA 8800GT 512MB Video Card (Stock)
PSU = 400W (Stock)

and my question is, what is the best possible video card can i buy that will not get bottlenecked by my CPU or RAM, i know its an older PC but i know the 8800GT is not the best video card i can buy for this PC, and note i have no problem upgrading my PSU to a more modern one in a good price range

and please actually help, dont just tell me to upgrade my whole PC because i already know that but i dont have the money right now

PLEASE HELP!
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90 Human Warlock
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You left out some important specs:

1) The actual amount of RAM you have.

2) Whether or not you are running 32-bit or 64-bit for the OS.

Whether the games you play are DX9 games or DX10/11 games is another big factor. Since DX9 handles the virtual address space really poorly regarding VRAM. Upgrading to a vid card with more than 512MB of VRAM can bone you and actually give you memory issues in games. Path of Exile is a big offender on that issue.
Edited by Kunou on 3/25/2013 11:12 PM PDT
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100 Blood Elf Paladin
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Every new video card of today of decent level will be severely bottlenecked by that CPU in WoW. Original Phenom CPU you have was a very poor performer when it was new, so...

I know you didn't want to hear "upgrade my whole PC", but to be honest, for games like WoW (it's CPU-heavy), you -do- need to upgrade your whole PC.
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90 Human Warlock
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Any CPU equivalent to a Wolfdale C2D will run WoW on max settings no prob if everything else is up to spec.
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100 Blood Elf Paladin
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Original Phenom is nowhere close to C2D in terms of performance
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90 Night Elf Rogue
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i disabled the TLB patch, and my game runs on good at 60FPS but im just trying to push it alil farther and get to high settings

and i have 4GB RAM total and 64Bit OS
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100 Blood Elf Paladin
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What's your budget?

TL;DR - get the Phenom II 715 linked at the bottom of my post and the Radeon 7770 linked before my cpu info discussion. If it must be slightly cheaper, get the linked Geforce 650; if you have any more cash, go 650ti over the 7770.

The 8800gt was a great card in it's day. It's only DX10, so you aren't able to run WoW in DX11 mode, which does offer a notable performance increase. To wit: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/world-of-warcraft-cataclysm-directx-11-performance,2793-7.html

So, just based on that, to grab a DX11 card that has about the raw power of the 8800gt will yield a notable improvement. As I putz around on Anand's comparison tool, it looks to me like you need at least a Radeon 7750 or Geforce 650 to out-muscle the 8800gt. Cards like the Radeon 6670 and Geforce 630/640 aren't really worth it as a true upgrade. A Radeon 7770 or Geforce 650ti would be cake if you can stretch the budget that far. So:

7750=650<7770<650ti
$80-90 / $100 / $110-120

If you go 7750, make sure you get one with DDR5, *not* DDR3. There is a great deal on a 7770 right now at Newegg - $90 after rebate:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127687&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

If the outlay is too high b/c of the rebate, here's a 7750 for $90, no rebate to mess with: http://pcpartpicker.com/part/his-video-card-h775f1gd

Or a Geforce 650 for $80 after a $20 rebate: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127703&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

650ti cards start at $125 after rebate on Newegg.
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Regarding the cpu...I googled your machine: http://support.gateway.com/s/PC/R/1015005R/1015005Rnv.shtml

Here are the motherboard specs: http://support.gateway.com/s/MOTHERBD/Shared/4006254R/4006254Rsp2.shtml

There is no bios update: http://support.gateway.com/us/en/product/default.aspx?partNumber=1015005R

All of that said, the Phenom 9600 is a socket AM2+ cpu at 95w tdp. There exist three Phenom II cpus in AM2+ packaging:

The Phenom II X3 715 @ 2.8ghz: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103679

The Phenom II X4 920 @ 2.8ghz: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103472

The Phenom II X4 940 @ 3ghz: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103471

The 920 and 940 are both 125w tdp cpus, while the 715 is 95w. The 920 and 940 are both over $100 on Ebay right now, and it's probably not worth paying that much for one, especially since the board doesn't explicitly support 125w tdp cpus.

There is an X3 715 on Ebay right now for $60 though, and if it's in your budget to do so, it'd be worth picking up. The seller has a 30 day money back guarantee so it's not even a risk. You'd gain 500mhz, 4mb of L3 cache, and the newer architecture that wasn't gimped like the original Phenom. To give you an idea of the comparison, here is a Phenom 9650 (revised version of your cpu) vs. a Phenom II 720 (AM3) - you'd gain between 18% and 25% fps in games: http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/23?vs=83

Here it is:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/AMD-Phenom-II-X3-715-2-8-MHz-Triple-Core-HDZ715WCJ3DGI-Processor-/310635908830?pt=CPUs&hash=item485357cede
Edited by Selvaganesh on 3/26/2013 10:04 AM PDT
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100 Draenei Shaman
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spend 1000 so your computer will last u thru the next expac... just my opinion. investing an extra 100 or 200 dollars will make it last twice as long lol
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90 Night Elf Rogue
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What's your budget?

TL;DR - get the Phenom II 715 linked at the bottom of my post and the Radeon 7770 linked before my cpu info discussion. If it must be slightly cheaper, get the linked Geforce 650; if you have any more cash, go 650ti over the 7770.

The 8800gt was a great card in it's day. It's only DX10, so you aren't able to run WoW in DX11 mode, which does offer a notable performance increase. To wit: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/world-of-warcraft-cataclysm-directx-11-performance,2793-7.html

So, just based on that, to grab a DX11 card that has about the raw power of the 8800gt will yield a notable improvement. As I putz around on Anand's comparison tool, it looks to me like you need at least a Radeon 7750 or Geforce 650 to out-muscle the 8800gt. Cards like the Radeon 6670 and Geforce 630/640 aren't really worth it as a true upgrade. A Radeon 7770 or Geforce 650ti would be cake if you can stretch the budget that far. So:

7750=650<7770<650ti
$80-90 / $100 / $110-120

If you go 7750, make sure you get one with DDR5, *not* DDR3. There is a great deal on a 7770 right now at Newegg - $90 after rebate:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127687&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

If the outlay is too high b/c of the rebate, here's a 7750 for $90, no rebate to mess with: http://pcpartpicker.com/part/his-video-card-h775f1gd

Or a Geforce 650 for $80 after a $20 rebate: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127703&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

650ti cards start at $125 after rebate on Newegg.
__________________________________________________________

Regarding the cpu...I googled your machine: http://support.gateway.com/s/PC/R/1015005R/1015005Rnv.shtml

Here are the motherboard specs: http://support.gateway.com/s/MOTHERBD/Shared/4006254R/4006254Rsp2.shtml

There is no bios update: http://support.gateway.com/us/en/product/default.aspx?partNumber=1015005R

All of that said, the Phenom 9600 is a socket AM2+ cpu at 95w tdp. There exist three Phenom II cpus in AM2+ packaging:

The Phenom II X3 715 @ 2.8ghz: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103679

The Phenom II X4 920 @ 2.8ghz: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103472

The Phenom II X4 940 @ 3ghz: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103471

The 920 and 940 are both 125w tdp cpus, while the 715 is 95w. The 920 and 940 are both over $100 on Ebay right now, and it's probably not worth paying that much for one, especially since the board doesn't explicitly support 125w tdp cpus.

There is an X3 715 on Ebay right now for $60 though, and if it's in your budget to do so, it'd be worth picking up. The seller has a 30 day money back guarantee so it's not even a risk. You'd gain 500mhz, 4mb of L3 cache, and the newer architecture that wasn't gimped like the original Phenom. To give you an idea of the comparison, here is a Phenom 9650 (revised version of your cpu) vs. a Phenom II 720 (AM3) - you'd gain between 18% and 25% fps in games: http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/23?vs=83

Here it is:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/AMD-Phenom-II-X3-715-2-8-MHz-Triple-Core-HDZ715WCJ3DGI-Processor-/310635908830?pt=CPUs&hash=item485357cede


thank you for all your help, this was a really good answer and was exactly what i was looking for, i will look into all your info :)
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90 Night Elf Rogue
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my only question is if the The Phenom II X3 715 would be more powerful than the current cpu i have? becuase i notice i lose the 4th core
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100 Blood Elf Paladin
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In gaming, the 715 is still going to be better thanks to the additional clock, cache, and newer architecture. The original Phenoms were pretty weak. Here is a link to an equivalent performance comparison of an updated version of your cpu vs. a 720 (same clock as 715 but am3):

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/23?vs=83

It doesn't matter now though, because the 715 is currently unavailable. They're really difficult to come across. However, there are some 940s on Ebay right now - one currently bidding at $30, one Buy-it-Now for $70, and one for $70 plus shipping but it comes with a heat sink. The 940 was the best AM2+ cpu ever made - 3ghz quad-core. Here is a link to the 940 vs. the updated version of yours:

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/23?vs=80

Ebay search for the 940:

http://www.ebay.com/sch/Computer-Components-Parts-/175673/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=phenom+940&_dcat=164&Socket%2520Type=Socket%2520AM2%252B&rt=nc

Only problem with the 940 is it's a 125w tdp cpu, but if it won't boot in your board, you could always re-sell it for what you paid, or even more enough to cover some fees.
Edited by Selvaganesh on 4/11/2013 8:12 AM PDT
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