Blood DK Threat Generation

90 Dwarf Death Knight
7565
Hello fellow tanks, particularly, DK's. I'm just curious to know that if you are let's say, tanking in LFR, and you have a Warrior as the other tank, do you ever feel like they generate more threat than you, and you are both near if not equal on ilvl?

I swear, i've had every other tank class pull threat off me, although not right away, but eventually, and no its not by taunting. The only thing I could think of would be Vengeance, but that's it...

So maybe i'm crazy, but could DK threat generation not be as up to par?

PLS HALP MEH SOLVE DIS CRISIS, so I don't feel so retarded about this issue!
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95 Dwarf Paladin
13260
7/10 I lol'd
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90 Night Elf Death Knight
12055
So maybe i'm crazy, but could DK threat generation not be as up to par?

We're fine.

Monks have better burst threat generation - IE, don't try to pull trash packs off of them, it won't work - but sustained TPS is pretty much identical between similarly geared tanks.

Vengeance DOES mean your co-tank needs to stop hitting the boss for a few seconds after a taunt to let you build Vengeance.
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100 Pandaren Monk
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try getting hit and expertise capped
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90 Dwarf Death Knight
7565
03/27/2013 09:43 AMPosted by Krinu
So maybe i'm crazy, but could DK threat generation not be as up to par?

We're fine.

Monks have better burst threat generation - IE, don't try to pull trash packs off of them, it won't work - but sustained TPS is pretty much identical between similarly geared tanks.

Vengeance DOES mean your co-tank needs to stop hitting the boss for a few seconds after a taunt to let you build Vengeance.


Awesome, thanks for your opnion. :)

@Datmonk - already hit capped at 8%, exp is at 4% and I live with it fine
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90 Pandaren Warrior
15860
All tank threat is fine.

Keg smash is just too stronk
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90 Tauren Warrior
12755
@Datmonk - already hit capped at 8%, exp is at 4% and I live with it fine


Hit cap is 7.5%, so you could put some of those stats into something. 4% expertise just makes me cry.

I also wouldn't make a thread complaining about threat... then say "I live with 4% expertise just fine" when it's your number one threat building stat.
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90 Night Elf Death Knight
12055
Er. Expertise is not our #1 thread building stat. In fact, it's our worst. Blood Boil uses the spell hit table, Rune Strike can't be dodged or parried, and Death Strike can't be parried. Our only core abilities that are heavily affected by hit and expertise are Heart Strike and Soul Reaper... and Soul Reaper isn't a threat tool, it's a DPS tool. Plus, you can replace HS with BB if you're short on expertise with only a slight DPS loss.
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90 Human Death Knight
8720
Hello fellow tanks, particularly, DK's. I'm just curious to know that if you are let's say, tanking in LFR, and you have a Warrior as the other tank, do you ever feel like they generate more threat than you, and you are both near if not equal on ilvl?

I swear, i've had every other tank class pull threat off me, although not right away, but eventually, and no its not by taunting. The only thing I could think of would be Vengeance, but that's it...

So maybe i'm crazy, but could DK threat generation not be as up to par?

PLS HALP MEH SOLVE DIS CRISIS, so I don't feel so retarded about this issue!


If your talking about tanking a boss, i would disagree. but if you are talking about aoe we DK's have a little more setup time as we need 2 globals before we can spam blood boil.
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90 Blood Elf Death Knight
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DK aoe is fine.

Outbreak+Blood Boil with Roiling blood is more the enough if your dps understand how your aoe threat works.

Of course you will encounter problems if everyone in your raid decides to pick their own target to burst down, but any dps with half a brain should cause you next to no aoe threat problems.
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92 Human Priest
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imo, threat levels are pretty even right now.

if anything, warriors might be a little behind on aoe threat across large packs of mobs.
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14 Night Elf Druid
0
if anything, warriors might be a little behind on aoe threat across large packs of mobs.
They're not.
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90 Pandaren Warrior
15860
imo, threat levels are pretty even right now.

if anything, warriors might be a little behind on aoe threat across large packs of mobs.


Our damage is good.

Our ability to pick up large packs more than once every 6s is the "problem", same as its always been
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90 Dwarf Death Knight
7565
Er. Expertise is not our #1 thread building stat. In fact, it's our worst. Blood Boil uses the spell hit table, Rune Strike can't be dodged or parried, and Death Strike can't be parried. Our only core abilities that are heavily affected by hit and expertise are Heart Strike and Soul Reaper... and Soul Reaper isn't a threat tool, it's a DPS tool. Plus, you can replace HS with BB if you're short on expertise with only a slight DPS loss.


This. I wasn't complaining about threat, I was just curious to know if threat generation was different between all the tank classes.
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14 Night Elf Druid
0
Absolutely it's different, but in most regards it is the same. At low vengeance we all do sorta crap threat, especially compared to a tank with high Vengeance. If you're trying to grab aggro off a tank with high vengeance, you'll have trouble no matter which tank you are.

And yeah, some tanks actively gear for DPS (directly TPS) stats, while DKs in particular shy away from them. This doesn't particularly make a difference in terms of losing aggro while actively tanking the boss; if that sort of thing happens there's something else that's drastically wrong.
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100 Dwarf Death Knight
18660
Dk sustained threat is fine but has a pretty steep rampup time. It's largely based on diseases which don't tick until 3 seconds after you apply them.

Warrior threat is more bursty- especially if they are using dragon's roar.

My cotank is a warrior and it's pretty even overall. Whoever gets to the aoe pack first is tanking all of them (yay vengeance).
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