What irritates you the most as a healer?

90 Blood Elf Paladin
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Yeah, I mean use survivability tools in emergencies when you need them but you shouldn't be popping pots constantly just because the healer has a lot to heal. That's mechanics, not really the DPS' fault unless they're standing in things they shouldn't be.

Everyone should carry party g.r.e.n.a.d.e.s.

if you don't you should be kicked immediately
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100 Night Elf Priest
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I know my job is to heal. It's also to stay alive with every tool I can possibly pull out of my derriere (no matter which role I'm filling).

My entire point was that everyone should carry emergency supplies. JUST IN CASE.
Simply refusing to take responsibility for yourself is a no-go in my book.
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90 Night Elf Priest
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Progression raiding calls for people have "just in case" tools available.

Normal raiding, not so much. When wiping that one extra time could cost you a world ranking, yes, you need the just in case.

That's only a small fraction of the WoW population. If you don't eat your lockrocks, or don't carry potions, it's not a big deal to me most of the time. If it continually causes a wipe because at a certain point I expect you to be recoving health on your own, I'll remind you to eat your candy.
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90 Blood Elf Priest
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Roger that, but not taking a health pot as dps is not a failure to take responsibility. I'm trying imagine a scenario in which it's early enough that the dps haven't repotted, but the healers are dead, rezzes are gone, and a health pot may save someone enough that the encounter is beatable. Or maybe it's a situation where it's the dps's fault, standing in too much stuff or something--it's a hard fight, so non-farm, so progression-ish, a living healer looks at a critically low health bar, and goes, hope he has health pots, because you know what? Eff that guy. Things can go very awry, but the wipe post mortem (correctly) won't end with: the dps should have used health pots.
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100 Blood Elf Mage
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03/29/2013 09:09 AMPosted by Alashe
I'm trying imagine a scenario in which it's early enough that the dps haven't repotted, but the healers are dead, rezzes are gone, and a health pot may save someone enough that the encounter is beatable.


To be honest, I don't think that scenario exists. If the healers are all dead, all rezzes are gone, and you are about to beat the encounter, the dps has already taken his or her Jade Serpent potion.
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03/29/2013 10:03 AMPosted by Taymage
I'm trying imagine a scenario in which it's early enough that the dps haven't repotted, but the healers are dead, rezzes are gone, and a health pot may save someone enough that the encounter is beatable.


To be honest, I don't think that scenario exists. If the healers are all dead, all rezzes are gone, and you are about to beat the encounter, the dps has already taken his or her Jade Serpent potion.


And IF they haven't I am more likely to say "Why didn't you use your potion earlier so maybe we could have killed it before it killed us?!" rather than "Why didn't you drink a health potion?!"
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90 Blood Elf Priest
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03/29/2013 10:03 AMPosted by Taymage
I'm trying imagine a scenario in which it's early enough that the dps haven't repotted, but the healers are dead, rezzes are gone, and a health pot may save someone enough that the encounter is beatable.


To be honest, I don't think that scenario exists. If the healers are all dead, all rezzes are gone, and you are about to beat the encounter, the dps has already taken his or her Jade Serpent potion.


Agreed. ("I'm trying to imagine a scenario in which it's early enough that the dps haven't repotted[...]")
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100 Blood Elf Mage
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03/29/2013 10:05 AMPosted by Morenn


To be honest, I don't think that scenario exists. If the healers are all dead, all rezzes are gone, and you are about to beat the encounter, the dps has already taken his or her Jade Serpent potion.


And IF they haven't I am more likely to say "Why didn't you use your potion earlier so maybe we could have killed it before it killed us?!" rather than "Why didn't you drink a health potion?!"


In tier 11, we had the worst wipe of all time. We wiped with Nefarion at approximately 3000 health.

*3000*

I was healing on my resto shaman. I thought "omg, this was my fault. If I had pulled out my fire elemental at the end, he'd be dead." Then Kaels was like omg, I had a shadowfiend left. And everyone else immediately thought of something they could have done. Sigh.
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90 Night Elf Priest
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The scenario most certainly DOES exist. It just ... the players that are in the scenarios where that would likely matter, are hopefully high enough caliber that they eat their lock cookies, drink their poitions and use every self heal they have. Because that's the kind of player that can finish off the last x % of a boss. Not the one who stands there while on vent yelling "HEAL ME N00B!!!!"
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100 Blood Elf Mage
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03/29/2013 10:26 AMPosted by Naérdriel
are hopefully high enough caliber that they eat their lock cookies, drink their poitions and use every self heal they have.


I think you missed the point. When the healers are dead, there are no rezzes, and you are about to win, this means you are at the end of a fight. If you are a dps, you have already taken your dps potion at that point. If you have already taken a dps potion, you cannot take a healing potion given you can take only one potion during combat.

If you are not at the end of a fight, by contrast, you shouldn't take a healing potion. If, for example, you are in the middle and have not bloodlusted yet; if healers are alive; if there are rezzes available - as a dps you *definitely should not* take a healing pot. You are not a good dps if you don't save your pot for an increased primary stat during bloodlust / personal cooldowns / execute phase.

Now lock cookies, I agree with you there. I love those things.
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90 Night Elf Priest
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I'm saying that if there's say, 5% left on garalon (I've seen this) and you're the last one up, a lowly dps... you should do EVERYTHING in your power to put that last 5% to rest. If that's lock rocks, pots, self heals... so be it.

Unless your RL calls you to wipe it (I've seen some grumpy RL's call on such situations).

But the players that are capable of this in the first place, are general the ones who already know this, and will be using everything available to them to succeed.
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100 Blood Elf Mage
18255
5% left on garalon (I've seen this) and you're the last one up


And all I'm saying is that a healing potion will not be available at that point, because I will have already used my Jade Serpent potion.

Obviously everyone should be using personal defensive cooldowns and lock cookies. But the discussion was about whether dps should be using healing potions. I honestly cannot think of any situation where it would ever happen.
Edited by Taymage on 3/29/2013 10:45 AM PDT
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90 Blood Elf Priest
13150
Players at that level will be much LESS likely to be in anything like that scenario. The healers playing at that level will be very, very unlikely to put their dps in that sort of position. The dps will have likely already repotted if it's really that close to the end.

Also, Taymage said what I meant, better.
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90 Night Elf Priest
5045
I just don't think it's very likely myself. It's so many variables going into one little situation.

Players at that level will be much LESS likely to be in anything like that scenario. The healers playing at that level will be very, very unlikely to put their dps in that sort of position. The dps will have likely already repotted if it's really that close to the end.

Also, Taymage said what I meant, better.


I'm not saying that they should be poting heals, I'm just saying the situation does exist, but it's not likely. I don't honestly see the point in expecting my dps to pot heals, when there are better things for them to be doing.

But eat your candy or I'll smack you.
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90 Blood Elf Priest
13150
Candy, yes. (I really really like my raid team, but I do sometimes secretly want to turn one of them into a lock.)
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90 Pandaren Priest
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03/29/2013 10:45 AMPosted by Taymage
5% left on garalon (I've seen this) and you're the last one up


And all I'm saying is that a healing potion will not be available at that point, because I will have already used my Jade Serpent potion.

Obviously everyone should be using personal defensive cooldowns and lock cookies. But the discussion was about whether dps should be using healing potions. I honestly cannot think of any situation where it would ever happen.


I don't think I would ever criticize a DPS for not using a health potion in a raid. Lock cookies? Yes. Personal CD's? Yes. Health Potion? Um, no. They should be double potting.
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100 Undead Priest
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If you are a DPS, and die because you didn't use a Healing potion, then you either made a mistake or really enjoy dying.
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90 Night Elf Priest
5045
If you are a DPS, and die because you didn't use a Healing potion, then you either made a mistake or really enjoy dying.


I'm conviced some of them do enjoy dying.

ON a completely unrelated note, I made lock cookies....irl....

Citrus Shot Blocks
http://www.amazon.com/Clifbar-Clif-Shot-Bloks-Citrus/dp/B006XXOT46

With inbedded pop rocks.

Now you know.
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90 Blood Elf Mage
11000
If you are a DPS, and die because you didn't use a Healing potion, then you either made a mistake or really enjoy dying.


Or because my potion CD is on cooldown from doing what I'm supposed to do, and not available to do your job for you..
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100 Blood Elf Mage
18255
If you are a DPS, and die because you didn't use a Healing potion, then you either made a mistake or really enjoy dying.


No. This is completely wrong.

If you are a dps and are about to die in the middle of the fight (when a potion cooldown is available), you are a *bad* dps if you take a healing potion. To survive, you should use defensive cooldowns and/or take a lock cookie. You should never take a healing potion at this point in the fight. If you do that, you will be severely gimping your raid, and will be a bad dps.

If you are a dps and are about to die a the end of a fight (when a potion cooldown is *not* available because you have already taken your dps potion), you *cannot* take a healing potion because you can take only one potion during combat and you have already used it on the dps potion. Again, in that situation, you should use defensive cooldowns and lock cookies.
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